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#3159456 - 10/17/13 10:42 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: zeuloa]
Lapithes Offline


Registered: 08/31/13
Posts: 59
Loc: United States
Most likely BG hires a third party agency to handle their "Lifetime BG Protection Plan" claims, which specializes in finding any way possible to deny a claim.


Edited by Lapithes (10/17/13 10:47 PM)

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#3159591 - 10/18/13 05:46 AM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: Lapithes]
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Registered: 07/14/13
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Loc: North Carolina
Don't downgrade BG unless you've dealt with their warranty. We have and they do honor it
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#3159601 - 10/18/13 06:38 AM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: lubedude13]
Lapithes Offline


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Originally Posted By: lubedude13
Don't downgrade BG unless you've dealt with their warranty. We have and they do honor it


I never downgraded BG. I just stated something which is most likely true. If it bothers you, don't read my posts. All you have to do is click on my profile name, and you'll see the ignore option.


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#3159629 - 10/18/13 07:33 AM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Have the dealer show you where the OEM requires the MOA or any additive for that matter.

Ford and Nissan/Infiniti in this city push the stuff, too. Of course, the manual prohibits additives, Infiniti Canada uses Mobil products as service fill (and XOM doesn't want additives either), yet they do it.
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#3159636 - 10/18/13 07:37 AM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: Garak]
Lapithes Offline


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Originally Posted By: Garak
Ford and Nissan/Infiniti in this city push the stuff, too. Of course, the manual prohibits additives, Infiniti Canada uses Mobil products as service fill (and XOM doesn't want additives either), yet they do it.


Kind of reminds me of how Jiffy Lube tries to upsell washer fluid.


Edited by Lapithes (10/18/13 07:38 AM)

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#3159673 - 10/18/13 08:13 AM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: zeuloa]
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BG MOA may compliment an oil that has a lousy/weak additive package, but I just don't see the point in using it with an oil that already has an excellent and advanced add pack. Why salt your eggs twice (yes, I know that some of us really like our sodium)? Now, if your engine has sludge or varnish buildup, maybe BG MOA would help clean some of it out, but it's not marketed as a cleaner. It's marketed as a wondrous marvel that lets your engine run without oil, and protects your bearings by means of a trade secret that the oil companies can't seem to reverse engineer. Imagine a mid-sized company which sold a technology to turn a regular tire into a run-flat tire, but Goodyear couldn't figure the technology out. If BG or any other additive manufacturer wants to convince me that there is actual third-party data/proof behind their product, I will get busy reading.


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#3160189 - 10/18/13 06:31 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: zeuloa]
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thanks for the reference to VOA--if you cleaned up the impurities and took the moly out of BG MOA, it would be very similar to the stuff in the pink bottle
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#3160197 - 10/18/13 06:47 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: Lapithes]
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Private message me and I can send you email links of bg studies
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#3164975 - 10/23/13 01:28 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: lubedude13]
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Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 99
Loc: Nicaragua
Originally Posted By: lubedude13
Private message me and I can send you email links of bg studies


Thanks for the studies. They seem a bit vague, and they don't really tip the scale for me. I still don't think MOA can do anything that a good oil with API SN won't do.
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#3164976 - 10/23/13 01:28 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: steve20]
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Originally Posted By: steve20
thanks for the reference to VOA--if you cleaned up the impurities and took the moly out of BG MOA, it would be very similar to the stuff in the pink bottle


What is the pink bottle?
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#3165002 - 10/23/13 01:41 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: zeuloa]
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Registered: 11/07/09
Posts: 1915
Loc: Oconomowoc Wi
I would use it for a one time OCI with PYB to help as a cleaner... BG products are very good and this looks like it would help clean up an engine.

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#3165388 - 10/23/13 06:44 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: Boss302fan]
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Registered: 09/29/13
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Loc: Nicaragua
Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
I would use it for a one time OCI with PYB to help as a cleaner... BG products are very good and this looks like it would help clean up an engine.


If that's the case than my engine must be squeaky clean as it's been used by dealer at all but 1 oil change. However, I dont plan to use it any longer.
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#3167811 - 10/25/13 08:06 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: zeuloa]
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Registered: 10/05/11
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Loc: McLean, Va.
To be 100 % on the up and up about MOA every car I have worked on it that used it looked dirty inside, we don't sell BG at work but have some people that bring it with them. BG 44K doesn't show me much either we use Techron because it works better in our inspections with cars that have used both and Techron is a better value cost wise. I always worry about companies that bribe users or salesmen.

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#3167937 - 10/25/13 11:14 PM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: vssjim]
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Registered: 08/31/13
Posts: 59
Loc: United States
Originally Posted By: vssjim
To be 100 % on the up and up about MOA every car I have worked on it that used it looked dirty inside


Wow...that is interesting. I wonder if that's just a coincidence, because if it isn't, it totally goes against what BG MOA is supposed to do.


Edited by Lapithes (10/25/13 11:21 PM)

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#3172271 - 10/30/13 06:57 AM Re: BG MOA at every oil change - should I worry? [Re: lubedude13]
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Registered: 09/15/11
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Loc: Central PA
Originally Posted By: lubedude13
Private message me and I can send you email links of bg studies


If it's anything like their [censored] "bgfueltest.com" website/car experiment you could drive a tractor trailer through the holes in their "studies".

There are lots wrong with their "study" but the huge one is when they do the dyno runs (you can see on Youtube) they dyno an AWD car on a 2WD dyno with the driveshaft disconnected and the AWD MIL light on! And then never post the dyno runs.
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