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#3196884 - 11/24/13 06:04 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: Chriznat20@msn.com]
blackman777 Offline


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"Engine" is the term used in physics too, not just automotive world. It is a shortened form of the terminology "Heat Engine" which describes conversion of a burning fuel into heat, which is then used to move a piston (or similar object). An electric motor or generator doesn't fit that definition, which is why the new words were invented.
Originally Posted By: Chriznat20@msn.com
1.) Pay a premium for a diesel engine. 2.) Pay anywhere from $.25-$.60 MORE per gallon for diesel over gasoline. 3.) Have to buy Dexos2 oil for $6-$8+ per QUART

What are the economic advantages of opting for a diesel engine over the gasoline engine they put in the Cruze Eco again?

Very little.
Since diesel MPGs have dropped from ~50 to ~42, and gasoline MPGs have risen from ~30 to ~42 (CruzeEco and others), there's very little point to buying a diesel instead of the gasser.


Edited by blackman777 (11/24/13 06:17 PM)

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#3196919 - 11/24/13 06:31 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: rrounds]
blackman777 Offline


Registered: 01/08/13
Posts: 981
Loc: Santa Ana, California
Originally Posted By: rrounds
I have no idea how much DEF the Cruze will use, but I've found it for $4.50 a gal.

If I owned a Cruze Diesel I would run it dry of the DEF urea, and save some money. The car will keep running another 700 miles like that (albeit at a speed limit or 65).

CruzeEco customer MPGs stored at fueleconomy.gov show approximately 35 mpg. That's only a few shy of the diesel version, but runs on MUCH cheaper fuel. Doing some quick math, I have to ask: Where's the savings?

CruzeEco == 10 cents/mile
CruseTDI == 9 cents/mile + $5000 diesel premium over 200,000 miles (2.5 c/m) == 11.5 cents/mile





Edited by blackman777 (11/24/13 06:34 PM)

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#3197529 - 11/25/13 11:05 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: stchman]
1999nick Offline


Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 1085
Loc: Germantown TN 38138
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: pavelow
Originally Posted By: CMB
Hello guys, any suggestions on what to run in this motor? The engine is a 2.0 VM turbo diesel

I have a real hard time believing GM when they say to run standard dexos 2 5w-30 and not a diesel spec'd oil.


Calling a diesel ENGINE a motor. LMAO.


I know, I wish people would call the engine and engine.

In the automotive world, motors are electric and engines are internal combustion. I will get people that will spit out the Webster's Dictionary definition for motor, this is why I preface "automotive world".

You "engine" guys need to straighten out the General Motors Corporation and the Ford Motor Company.

When you say "motor" and you refer to a Prius, which motor are they talking about?

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#3197580 - 11/25/13 11:35 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: blackman777]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1326
Loc: Atlanta,GA
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: rrounds
I have no idea how much DEF the Cruze will use, but I've found it for $4.50 a gal.

If I owned a Cruze Diesel I would run it dry of the DEF urea, and save some money. The car will keep running another 700 miles like that (albeit at a speed limit or 65).

CruzeEco customer MPGs stored at fueleconomy.gov show approximately 35 mpg. That's only a few shy of the diesel version, but runs on MUCH cheaper fuel. Doing some quick math, I have to ask: Where's the savings?

CruzeEco == 10 cents/mile
CruseTDI == 9 cents/mile + $5000 diesel premium over 200,000 miles (2.5 c/m) == 11.5 cents/mile





Usually the diesel is sold with more standard options so the price difference is significantly less when you compare a similarly optioned gasser.

For example my car was about $1100 more than the comparable gasser (335i).



Edited by BMWTurboDzl (11/25/13 11:39 AM)
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#3197710 - 11/25/13 01:21 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: blackman777]
rrounds Offline


Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 462
Loc: SACRAMENTO, CA
Originally Posted By: blackman777
"Engine" is the term used in physics too, not just automotive world. It is a shortened form of the terminology "Heat Engine" which describes conversion of a burning fuel into heat, which is then used to move a piston (or similar object). An electric motor or generator doesn't fit that definition, which is why the new words were invented.
Originally Posted By: Chriznat20@msn.com
1.) Pay a premium for a diesel engine. 2.) Pay anywhere from $.25-$.60 MORE per gallon for diesel over gasoline. 3.) Have to buy Dexos2 oil for $6-$8+ per QUART

What are the economic advantages of opting for a diesel engine over the gasoline engine they put in the Cruze Eco again?

Very little.
Since diesel MPGs have dropped from ~50 to ~42, and gasoline MPGs have risen from ~30 to ~42 (CruzeEco and others), there's very little point to buying a diesel instead of the gasser.


I don't see the mpg that your seeing.
For the gas engine(2013) it has a 32.8 Avg. mpg(30.3 mpg for the 2014 gas engine) while the diesel engine(2014) has a 40.7 Avg. mpg

http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/gas%20l4

http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/cruze/diesel%20l4
So with fuel prices in the Sacramento area the diesel is cheaper to run(fuel wise).

ROD
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#3198000 - 11/25/13 06:10 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: pavelow]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1708
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: pavelow
Originally Posted By: CMB
Hello guys, any suggestions on what to run in this motor? The engine is a 2.0 VM turbo diesel

I have a real hard time believing GM when they say to run standard dexos 2 5w-30 and not a diesel spec'd oil.


Calling a diesel ENGINE a motor. LMAO.


What would you call it then? A gearbox.
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#3198012 - 11/25/13 06:17 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: BlazerLT]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
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Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: BlazerLT
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Castrol Edge 5W-40
AAP has it on sale with now 5 quarts and a Fram Ultra filter for 29.99....? not bad


It calls for 5w30. People need to stop default recommending a 40 weight oil for a diesel.


Most diesels since around 07 in the UK and all Fords since probably 15 yrs or so have specced 5w30 oil.

My Jag takes 5w30, my Volvo took 5w30 or 0w30. Pathfinder was specced 5w40 for first few years of production but since 07 was also 5w30, you can still run 5w40 and i have done and no difference was noted.

Clio runs 5w40 or 0w40(even 10w40) but can also run on 5w30 as that what they run from around 08. Will be running it on 5w30 this winter i think.
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#3198043 - 11/25/13 06:47 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: rrounds]
blackman777 Offline


Registered: 01/08/13
Posts: 981
Loc: Santa Ana, California
Originally Posted By: rrounds
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Since diesel MPGs have dropped from ~50 to ~42, and gasoline MPGs have risen from ~30 to ~42 (CruzeEco and others), there's very little point to buying a diesel instead of the gasser.
I don't see the mpg that your seeing. For the gas engine(2013) it has a 32.8 Avg. mpg

That's not the ECO version.

Repeat: That's not the ECO version. We keep saying the word ECO but for some reason you don't see the word ECO in the text? LOL. smile CruzeECO, CruzeECO, cruzeECO.

Regular Cruze == 35-38 MPG (varies by engine) OFFICIAL EPA RATING
Cruze ECO == 39 MPG (auto) 42 (manual) OFFICIAL EPA RATING

Also I said "and others". Why buy a diesel car of any kind, when you can get a Honda Civic HF rated 42 mpg (EPA) or Mirage rated at 44 (EPA) or Ford Fiesta rated at 45 (EPA highway). There's little reason to buy diesel which scores no higher in the official government-endorsed MPG city/highway tests.


Edited by blackman777 (11/25/13 06:55 PM)

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#3198113 - 11/25/13 08:01 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: blackman777]
rhhsiao Offline


Registered: 01/13/12
Posts: 126
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: rrounds
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Since diesel MPGs have dropped from ~50 to ~42, and gasoline MPGs have risen from ~30 to ~42 (CruzeEco and others), there's very little point to buying a diesel instead of the gasser.
I don't see the mpg that your seeing. For the gas engine(2013) it has a 32.8 Avg. mpg

That's not the ECO version.

Repeat: That's not the ECO version. We keep saying the word ECO but for some reason you don't see the word ECO in the text? LOL. smile CruzeECO, CruzeECO, cruzeECO.

Regular Cruze == 35-38 MPG (varies by engine) OFFICIAL EPA RATING
Cruze ECO == 39 MPG (auto) 42 (manual) OFFICIAL EPA RATING

Also I said "and others". Why buy a diesel car of any kind, when you can get a Honda Civic HF rated 42 mpg (EPA) or Mirage rated at 44 (EPA) or Ford Fiesta rated at 45 (EPA highway). There's little reason to buy diesel which scores no higher in the official government-endorsed MPG city/highway tests.


The thing is though, diesels tend to get higher real world numbers. Not only that, diesels can also be much more fun to drive with their higher torque ratings at lower RPMs.

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#3198504 - 11/26/13 08:45 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: blackman777]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1326
Loc: Atlanta,GA
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: rrounds
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Since diesel MPGs have dropped from ~50 to ~42, and gasoline MPGs have risen from ~30 to ~42 (CruzeEco and others), there's very little point to buying a diesel instead of the gasser.
I don't see the mpg that your seeing. For the gas engine(2013) it has a 32.8 Avg. mpg

That's not the ECO version.

Repeat: That's not the ECO version. We keep saying the word ECO but for some reason you don't see the word ECO in the text? LOL. smile CruzeECO, CruzeECO, cruzeECO.

Regular Cruze == 35-38 MPG (varies by engine) OFFICIAL EPA RATING
Cruze ECO == 39 MPG (auto) 42 (manual) OFFICIAL EPA RATING

Also I said "and others". Why buy a diesel car of any kind, when you can get a Honda Civic HF rated 42 mpg (EPA) or Mirage rated at 44 (EPA) or Ford Fiesta rated at 45 (EPA highway). There's little reason to buy diesel which scores no higher in the official government-endorsed MPG city/highway tests.


Is.the HP/TQ comparable to the diesel or is this an apples to oranges comparison?

I always thought people bought diesels to get great power along with good mpg?


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (11/26/13 08:46 AM)
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#3198525 - 11/26/13 09:15 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: CMB]
m37charlie Offline


Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 1143
Loc: Alaska
Someone needs to start making emission delete kits for diesel cars like MB, BMW, etc. If mpg figures of US diesel pickups before/after and mpg figures of Euro spec vehicles are any indication, mpg figures would be astounding.
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/x/x5/2013/showroom/technical_data/index.html
Check the 30d model, it has hp/tq numbers most similar to the NA model.
For an X5 diesel Euro figures are 33mpg city/38 combined
I get 20-22 in loose urban driving depending on the season, 27-29 on highway.
Of course the comparable X5 gas V8 gets about 14 mpg on premium gas, not much cheaper than diesel in my locale.

Charlie
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#3198852 - 11/26/13 03:39 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: Chriznat20@msn.com]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 4364
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Chriznat20@msn.com
So people will:


2.) Pay anywhere from $.25-$.60 MORE per gallon for diesel over gasoline here in Michigan

What are the economic advantages of opting for a diesel engine over the gasoline engine they put in the Cruze Eco again?


Don't worry, once we go to low sulfur gasoline, diesel will be cheaper than gasoline again.
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#3199624 - 11/27/13 11:43 AM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
blackman777 Offline


Registered: 01/08/13
Posts: 981
Loc: Santa Ana, California
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Regular Cruze == 35-38 MPG (varies by engine) OFFICIAL EPA RATING
Cruze ECO == 39 MPG (auto) 42 (manual) OFFICIAL EPA RATING

Also you can get a Honda Civic HF rated 42 mpg (EPA) or Mirage rated at 44 (EPA) or Ford Fiesta rated at 45 (EPA highway). There's little reason to buy diesel which scores no higher in the official government-endorsed MPG city/highway tests.

Is the HP/TQ comparable to the diesel or is this an apples to oranges comparison? I always thought people bought diesels to get great power along with good mpg?

That used to be true, but not anymore. The Cruze Diesel I testdrove felt just as gutless in 6th gear as the Cruze Eco in 6th gear. Neither was very driver-friendly & would force you to shift to a lower gear (typically 4th) to pass on the highway.
Official numbers are:
CruzeECO - 138hp, 150 torque @ 1850rpm, 33mpg combined (EPA)
Cruzediesel- 148hp, 258 torque, 33mpg combined (EPA) and $5000 higher pricetag



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#3199788 - 11/27/13 02:45 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: Garak]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 5711
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
US gallons AFAIK. Nobody uses Imperial.

Well, there are some. If it's an old codger who bought gas when it was still sold in Imperial gallons (I am not one of those, by the way wink ), then they'll use Imperial gallons. My Town Car, however, used American gallons if I switched off of metric.

And almost every car ad up here as well. They always quote miles per imperial gallon to inflate the fuel economy.
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#3200178 - 11/27/13 10:18 PM Re: 2014 diesel chevy cruze - what oil [Re: blackman777]
rrounds Offline


Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 462
Loc: SACRAMENTO, CA
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Regular Cruze == 35-38 MPG (varies by engine) OFFICIAL EPA RATING
Cruze ECO == 39 MPG (auto) 42 (manual) OFFICIAL EPA RATING

Also you can get a Honda Civic HF rated 42 mpg (EPA) or Mirage rated at 44 (EPA) or Ford Fiesta rated at 45 (EPA highway). There's little reason to buy diesel which scores no higher in the official government-endorsed MPG city/highway tests.

Is the HP/TQ comparable to the diesel or is this an apples to oranges comparison? I always thought people bought diesels to get great power along with good mpg?

That used to be true, but not anymore. The Cruze Diesel I testdrove felt just as gutless in 6th gear as the Cruze Eco in 6th gear. Neither was very driver-friendly & would force you to shift to a lower gear (typically 4th) to pass on the highway.
Official numbers are:
CruzeECO - 138hp, 150 torque @ 1850rpm, 33mpg combined (EPA)
Cruzediesel- 148hp, 258 torque, 33mpg combined (EPA) and $5000 higher pricetag



Where do you get your numbers from?
This is off of the Chevy web site

"Cruze Diesel beats the competition
Cruze Clean Turbo Diesel beats out the competition, starting with a 2.0L turbocharged clean diesel engine which boasts an SAE-certified 151 horsepower and 264 lb.ft. of “low-end” torque — more than the Volkswagen Jetta TDI. In fact, Cruze Clean Turbo Diesel is better than Jetta TDI in 8 separate categories."

151 hp and 264 lb. of torque for the diesel
http://www.chevrolet.com/cruze-compact-car.html#Diesel
and for price
ECO with an Automatic MSRP from $21,955†
Diesel with Automatic MSRP from $25,810†
http://www.chevrolet.com/cruze-compact-car/build-your-own.html?x-zipcode=94203
That is only $3855 more for better mileage and we won't know how much more or less money when you go to sell it after 250k miles.

ROD
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