why people hate ford?

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Originally Posted By: Huie83

All of my foreign vehicles trumped the Ford in build quality/fit and finish. My last VW, Honda and Subaru didn't have squeaks or rattles, bubbles/junk in the paint in multiple spots, dash that doesn't line up with the top of the doors like designed,rear hatch with gaps biger on one side, chrome chipping off radio knobs from the factory or drive train noises after only 4.5K miles. They were all perfect from the factory and none had any weird issues during my ownership.


Fair enough - I wasn't picking an argument. I'd be upset about that too.

I remember a lot of those complaints about the Infiniti too. Many guys had rattles (mine was rattle free) and many found other such issues. IIRC there was near unanimous groaning about Nissan's thin paint and A/C condensers made from recycled Bud cans.

I think they all have issues and occasionally one slips through. Especially a 1st year model. But as far as 1st year models go I'm thrilled with the SHO. Sure there have been issues, but like I saw with the Infiniti, nothing out of the ordinary.
 
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: Huie83

All of my foreign vehicles trumped the Ford in build quality/fit and finish. My last VW, Honda and Subaru didn't have squeaks or rattles, bubbles/junk in the paint in multiple spots, dash that doesn't line up with the top of the doors like designed,rear hatch with gaps biger on one side, chrome chipping off radio knobs from the factory or drive train noises after only 4.5K miles. They were all perfect from the factory and none had any weird issues during my ownership.


Fair enough - I wasn't picking an argument. I'd be upset about that too.

I remember a lot of those complaints about the Infiniti too. Many guys had rattles (mine was rattle free) and many found other such issues. IIRC there was near unanimous groaning about Nissan's thin paint and A/C condensers made from recycled Bud cans.

I think they all have issues and occasionally one slips through. Especially a 1st year model. But as far as 1st year models go I'm thrilled with the SHO. Sure there have been issues, but like I saw with the Infiniti, nothing out of the ordinary.


Oh, no argument here either, just wanted to post up some facts to justify my complaints
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We had a few of the SHO's at my last company as executive cars, very nice machines.
 
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I buy a vehicle to fit; a specific function, have legendary reliability and get good fuel economy. I don't care who makes it, but it has to meet my criteria, all my choices received the highest grades on all my criteria, so they make the team.

When I look for my next vehicle I will again start with a clean slate, may the best vehicle win. Competition is good.


Hey look at that...all my choices are above industry average...yaaay me.
 
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Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
is jd power reliability ranking a credible source?

it is surprising infiniti is this low.



Yeah - in 03/04 they were #2 or #3. IIRC #1 was Lexus.
 
^ Ha Saturn is so good, they're off the charts!
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Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
what's wrong with american cars? I own a used mercury sable and need replacing it.


Well, you own a 2005 w/ 109k miles and "need replacing it". That right there is not a glowing endorsement.

just clarify my car has no big problem.. just need a newer car.


Its hard to go wrong with any new car - test drive all in your class/price range, and pick the one you like the best. Try and avoid brand shopping. People who 'hate' on certain make/models, either had a bad experience or read about one or their friend/family did, etc. Things like that take a long time to get over sometimes.
 
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I'll probably take some heat for this, but my experience with newer Ford engines, especially aluminum cylinder heads, is enough for me to steer clear-modulars launching spark plugs, chunks of aluminum falling off 1.6 Escort heads, valve seats falling off 1.9 Escort heads, and blown head gaskets at low mileages. Add the tendency of the dealers to "gloss over" problems (until they're out of warranty & can make big $ off the issues)-NO THANKS!


The valve set dropping issue is really a Mazda issue, since they designed that engine.

My 1985 and 1995 Escorts both suggest they they are very reliable cars.


Mazda designed the SOHC 1.9L? What are you smoking?
It's the 1.8L DOHC in the Escort GT is a Mazda BP engine.
 
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I'll probably take some heat for this, but my experience with newer Ford engines, especially aluminum cylinder heads, is enough for me to steer clear-modulars launching spark plugs, chunks of aluminum falling off 1.6 Escort heads, valve seats falling off 1.9 Escort heads, and blown head gaskets at low mileages. Add the tendency of the dealers to "gloss over" problems (until they're out of warranty & can make big $ off the issues)-NO THANKS!


The valve set dropping issue is really a Mazda issue, since they designed that engine.

My 1985 and 1995 Escorts both suggest they they are very reliable cars.


Mazda designed the SOHC 1.9L? What are you smoking?
It's the 1.8L DOHC in the Escort GT is a Mazda BP engine.


The CVH is Ford Europe's mistake. It was never used in any Mazda.
It was a coarse, vibration prone, underpowered, harsh engine, but the non-interference 1.9s are pretty durable
 
Originally Posted By: Huie83


All of my foreign vehicles trumped the Ford in build quality/fit and finish. My last VW, Honda and Subaru didn't have squeaks or rattles, bubbles/junk in the paint in multiple spots, dash that doesn't line up with the top of the doors like designed,rear hatch with gaps biger on one side, chrome chipping off radio knobs from the factory or drive train noises after only 4.5K miles. They were all perfect from the factory and none had any weird issues during my ownership.


My 1995 Explorer didn't have any of those problems. It did rust, but everything else was fine.

I see/drive/work on ragged out foreign cars all the time, so I just don't see where the reliability/quality perception really comes from anymore.
 
Originally Posted By: morris
henry ford was a nazi


Wow dude.

No, Henry Ford was, as many others were of that era, an anti-Semite. He wrote a book called "The American Jew", which old uncle Adolf liked (due to his own, and I would hope most would argue MUCH more severe, hatred of the Jewish people) and so he wrote Henry a letter congratulating him on his book.

When the US went to war after Pearl Harbour, it was Henry Ford who offered up his own land and manufacturing facilities and built the Willow Run plant to manufacture B-24 "Liberator" bombers for the war effort. And it was the highest production plant, making 650 bombers a month at its peak.

Henry Ford was many things, but he sure as friggin' [censored] wasn't a bloody Nazi.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: morris
henry ford was a nazi


Wow dude.

No, Henry Ford was, as many others were of that era, an anti-Semite. He wrote a book called "The American Jew", which old uncle Adolf liked (due to his own, and I would hope most would argue MUCH more severe, hatred of the Jewish people) and so he wrote Henry a letter congratulating him on his book.

When the US went to war after Pearl Harbour, it was Henry Ford who offered up his own land and manufacturing facilities and built the Willow Run plant to manufacture B-24 "Liberator" bombers for the war effort. And it was the highest production plant, making 650 bombers a month at its peak.

Henry Ford was many things, but he sure as friggin' [censored] wasn't a bloody Nazi.


Wow. Henry Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks on his birthday every year and then sent the bombers to destroy his country
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: morris
henry ford was a nazi


Wow dude.

No, Henry Ford was, as many others were of that era, an anti-Semite. He wrote a book called "The American Jew", which old uncle Adolf liked (due to his own, and I would hope most would argue MUCH more severe, hatred of the Jewish people) and so he wrote Henry a letter congratulating him on his book.

When the US went to war after Pearl Harbour, it was Henry Ford who offered up his own land and manufacturing facilities and built the Willow Run plant to manufacture B-24 "Liberator" bombers for the war effort. And it was the highest production plant, making 650 bombers a month at its peak.

Henry Ford was many things, but he sure as friggin' [censored] wasn't a bloody Nazi.


Wow. Henry Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks on his birthday every year and then sent the bombers to destroy his country


I sincerely hope that's sarcasm, LOL
 
We have fords at work. 350K on a V10 and rangers that hardly sees speeds over 30. Pretty tough to say the least. As far as I know all have original drive train. The rangers are around 80K, all they do is pretty much idle most of the day.

I would own one.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: morris
henry ford was a nazi


Wow dude.

No, Henry Ford was, as many others were of that era, an anti-Semite. He wrote a book called "The American Jew", which old uncle Adolf liked (due to his own, and I would hope most would argue MUCH more severe, hatred of the Jewish people) and so he wrote Henry a letter congratulating him on his book.

When the US went to war after Pearl Harbour, it was Henry Ford who offered up his own land and manufacturing facilities and built the Willow Run plant to manufacture B-24 "Liberator" bombers for the war effort. And it was the highest production plant, making 650 bombers a month at its peak.

Henry Ford was many things, but he sure as friggin' [censored] wasn't a bloody Nazi.


Wow. Henry Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks on his birthday every year and then sent the bombers to destroy his country


I sincerely hope that's sarcasm, LOL


No, that's irony.

Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks every year on Hitler's birthday. That's verifiable.
 
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I'll probably take some heat for this, but my experience with newer Ford engines, especially aluminum cylinder heads, is enough for me to steer clear-modulars launching spark plugs, chunks of aluminum falling off 1.6 Escort heads, valve seats falling off 1.9 Escort heads, and blown head gaskets at low mileages. Add the tendency of the dealers to "gloss over" problems (until they're out of warranty & can make big $ off the issues)-NO THANKS!


The valve set dropping issue is really a Mazda issue, since they designed that engine.

My 1985 and 1995 Escorts both suggest they they are very reliable cars.


Mazda designed the SOHC 1.9L? What are you smoking?
It's the 1.8L DOHC in the Escort GT is a Mazda BP engine.


The 1.8L was designed and built by Mazda. The 1.9 was designed by Mazda and built by Ford.
 
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