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#3140524 - 09/30/13 01:21 PM To use 0W30 in place of 5W30.
stchman Offline


Registered: 09/25/13
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
A friend of mine, his father is preaching for me to run 0W30 over 5W30 in my 2013 Silverado.

The manual calls for 5W30, but GM is now recommending 0W20 in the new 2014 5.3L engine.

Many folks are calling 0W30 the new 5W30.

I would gather that 0W30 would have slightly better cold starting properties than 5W30.

Any thoughts?


Edited by stchman (09/30/13 01:21 PM)
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#3140535 - 09/30/13 01:29 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
MileHigh18 Offline


Registered: 09/11/13
Posts: 180
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I too have been thinking of going with a 0-30 in my Trailblazer for the very same reasons as you. I was told that TN winters aren't cold enough to HAVE to switch to a 0-30, but that it also wouldn't hurt anything. I'm sure your winters are much worse than ours in TN are, so I wouldn't see why an oil with better cold flow properties wouldn't be the way to go for you. I hate the way my engine sounds in the winters with a cold start.
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#3140537 - 09/30/13 01:31 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
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There should be no harm in running a 0W-30, but not much in the way of benefits in St. Louis. It's not like it gets really cold there and you therefore need to make use of the better uber-cold flow properties at startup.
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#3140541 - 09/30/13 01:34 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
MileHigh18 Offline


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A better flowing oil is always better though isn't it?
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#3140550 - 09/30/13 01:39 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
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Not really. lUBRICANTYS ARE chosen with a viscosity range to give good service life to the machinery as designed and its operating environment.
Some thin oils will sacrifice lubricity for cold flowability. There are tradeoffs as in most anything.
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#3140554 - 09/30/13 01:42 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: ARCOgraphite]
lexus114 Offline


Registered: 05/12/08
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Not really. lUBRICANTYS ARE chosen with a viscosity range to give good service life to the machinery as designed and its operating environment.
Some thin oils will sacrifice lubricity for cold flowability. There are tradeoffs as in most anything.


OKAY My friend.....: ) (just bustin your chops)


Edited by lexus114 (09/30/13 01:43 PM)
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#3140594 - 09/30/13 02:25 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
volk06 Offline


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GM says 0w-30 is ok to use in place of 5w30
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#3140632 - 09/30/13 02:58 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: ARCOgraphite]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
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0W-30 is a thin oil?

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Some thin oils will sacrifice lubricity for cold flowability. There are tradeoffs as in most anything.
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#3140635 - 09/30/13 02:59 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: volk06]
kschachn Offline


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So does ExxonMobil.

Isn't this about the 8,000,000th time this question was asked?

Originally Posted By: volk06
GM says 0w-30 is ok to use in place of 5w30
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#3140639 - 09/30/13 03:04 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: volk06]
stchman Offline


Registered: 09/25/13
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: volk06
GM says 0w-30 is ok to use in place of 5w30


True, GM does allow the user to use 0W30 in extreme cold temperatures.

Here is an excerpt form the owners manual.

Quote:

Cold Temperature Operation: In an area of extreme cold, where the temperature falls below 29C(-20F), an SAE 0W-30 oil may be used. An oil of this viscosity grade will provide easier cold starting for the engine at extremely low temperatures.


Edited by stchman (09/30/13 03:05 PM)
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#3140649 - 09/30/13 03:16 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
EricF Offline


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Hope the 0w30 is Dexos approved.
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#3140665 - 09/30/13 03:30 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: EricF]
kschachn Offline


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Why do you "hope"? If it is M1 AFE 0W-30 then it is, per ExxonMobil's website.

Originally Posted By: EricF
Hope the 0w30 is Dexos approved.
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#3140673 - 09/30/13 03:34 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: EricF]
stchman Offline


Registered: 09/25/13
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: EricF
Hope the 0w30 is Dexos approved.


Yes Mobil 1 has the following dexos licensed weights:

0W20, 0W30, 5W20, 5W30, 5W20EP, 5W30EP

Mobil 1 has the bases covered.
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#3140676 - 09/30/13 03:37 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: ARCOgraphite]
AP9 Offline


Registered: 07/10/13
Posts: 225
Loc: Chicago suburbs
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Not really. lUBRICANTYS ARE chosen with a viscosity range to give good service life to the machinery as designed and its operating environment.
Some thin oils will sacrifice lubricity for cold flowability. There are tradeoffs as in most anything.


In theory, the difference in lubricity would be negligible though. The 0W is just rated for pumpability at a lower temperature than the 5W.

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#3140677 - 09/30/13 03:37 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
jrustles Offline


Registered: 02/24/13
Posts: 2035
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: volk06
GM says 0w-30 is ok to use in place of 5w30


True, GM does allow the user to use 0W30 in extreme cold temperatures.

Here is an excerpt form the owners manual.

Quote:

Cold Temperature Operation: In an area of extreme cold, where the temperature falls below 29C(-20F), an SAE 0W-30 oil may be used. An oil of this viscosity grade will provide easier cold starting for the engine at extremely low temperatures.


+1 0w30 in a 5w30 application if cold starts are expected, but wouldn't wait for -29C, -5 to -10C will do.
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#3140678 - 09/30/13 03:38 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: ARCOgraphite]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 10518
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Not really. lUBRICANTYS ARE chosen with a viscosity range to give good service life to the machinery as designed and its operating environment.
Some thin oils will sacrifice lubricity for cold flowability. There are tradeoffs as in most anything.


How is M1 0-30 a "thin oil" compared to other 30wt oils?
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#3141262 - 10/01/13 08:50 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 9209
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I was answering a general question about "better flowing oil" not necessarily 0w vs 5w . I think I might want a ow for a minus 30C startup - not that I would ever start a poor engine at miunus 30C, thank goodnesss! Id be inside my cabin cuddled up by the woodstove sipping Asam tea smile


Edited by ARCOgraphite (10/01/13 08:52 AM)
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#3141364 - 10/01/13 10:20 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
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Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 416
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
Mobil1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 is the only commonly available ILSAC GF-5 0w30 in the US. It's an excellent oil and will serve your Silverado well. But (there's always a but), there is little reason to use it in St. Louis. The difference between AFE 0w30 and a good synthetic 5w30 like M1 or Pennzoil Platinum is negligible above freezing and very minor down to 0*F. It's only at very cold temperatures like -15*F and below where the 0w30 will show benefits.

I say this as a general advocate of 0w30. My father uses M1 AFE 0w30 in his Subaru which specs 5w30, with great results, but he lives in frigid Northern Minnesota, where the benefits of 0w30 are relevant.
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#3141370 - 10/01/13 10:26 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: gpshumway]
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Registered: 03/09/12
Posts: 113
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: gpshumway
Mobil1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 is the only commonly available ILSAC GF-5 0w30 in the US. It's an excellent oil and will serve your Silverado well. But (there's always a but), there is little reason to use it in St. Louis. The difference between AFE 0w30 and a good synthetic 5w30 like M1 or Pennzoil Platinum is negligible above freezing and very minor down to 0*F. It's only at very cold temperatures like -15*F and below where the 0w30 will show benefits.
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#3141774 - 10/01/13 05:39 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: Clovis, CA
What's the cSt difference between 0W-30 and 5W-30 ?

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#3141904 - 10/01/13 08:00 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
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Theoretically a 5w30 would have less shear than a 0w30, however, only oil analysis can show if it is happening.
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#3142068 - 10/01/13 10:13 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: kschachn]
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
So does ExxonMobil.

Isn't this about the 8,000,000th time this question was asked?

Originally Posted By: volk06
GM says 0w-30 is ok to use in place of 5w30

5W20 VS 5W30 hide
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#3142070 - 10/01/13 10:15 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: kschachn]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: kschachn
So does ExxonMobil.

Isn't this about the 8,000,000th time this question was asked?


8,000,001, but who's counting?
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#3142432 - 10/02/13 10:37 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
Durango Offline


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I wanted to use/try this in my Durango a few year back but another forum advised me not to do it. He sited wearing out my bearings due to too thin of an oil despite the fact that Mobil say it's a replacement for 5W-30 oil and you'll increase you MPG a little more.

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#3145776 - 10/05/13 10:17 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: Durango]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 3642
Loc: Upper Midwest
And you believe this why?

Originally Posted By: Durango
I wanted to use/try this in my Durango a few year back but another forum advised me not to do it. He sited wearing out my bearings due to too thin of an oil despite the fact that Mobil say it's a replacement for 5W-30 oil and you'll increase you MPG a little more.

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#3145912 - 10/05/13 02:02 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: Durango]
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Originally Posted By: Durango
I wanted to use/try this in my Durango a few year back but another forum advised me not to do it. He sited wearing out my bearings due to too thin of an oil despite the fact that Mobil say it's a replacement for 5W-30 oil and you'll increase you MPG a little more.

Durango


How is it too thin? Anything below operating temperature both grades THICKEN crzy

Sounds like somebody (the guy you were talking to) doesn't understand viscosity.....
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#3145987 - 10/05/13 03:26 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
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OVERKILL is right. 0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30 are theoretically the same viscosity at operating temps.


Edited by StevieBoy (10/05/13 03:27 PM)
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#3146014 - 10/05/13 04:12 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
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If you want to spring for a syn for your engine, there'd be no reason not to use M1 0W-30.
The M1 site recommends this oil for every 5W-30 application I've ever looked at and the UOA forum shows that AFE holds up very well in use.
AFE in either the 0W-20 or 0W-30 grades is probably the best M1 oil offered in this country, along with the 0W-40 for those applications that need it.
If I didn't have a large stash of Ultra/PP/QSUD/G-Oil/Syntec/HGMO/SSO I'd have stocked up on a few changes of M1 AFE when Walmart had it for $22.47/jug.
It's a no-brainer IMHO.
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#3330113 - 04/01/14 09:12 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: stchman]
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I can't say I really understand viscosity eithr. My walmart has about 2 cases of 0w30 afe for 5bucks a qt. Had never considered a 0w before for my yukon. I use 5w30 ultra currently. Anything to help my 15 mpg is welcome.
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#3330193 - 04/01/14 10:43 AM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: JD4440]
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Originally Posted By: JD4440
I can't say I really understand viscosity eithr. My walmart has about 2 cases of 0w30 afe for 5bucks a qt. Had never considered a 0w before for my yukon. I use 5w30 ultra currently. Anything to help my 15 mpg is welcome.


0w-30 will help you get about 1-2% better MPG in Winter until your engine warms up, which means you'll never see the difference in a measurable way.

Of course it won't hurt your engine at all. The way I see it, if a quality synthetic 0w-30 happened to be on sale for less than your usual 5w-30, there's no reason not to try it.
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#3330481 - 04/01/14 03:39 PM Re: To use 0W30 in place of 5W30. [Re: HangFire]
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Originally Posted By: HangFire
0w-30 will help you get about 1-2% better MPG in Winter until your engine warms up, which means you'll never see the difference in a measurable way.

Of course it won't hurt your engine at all. The way I see it, if a quality synthetic 0w-30 happened to be on sale for less than your usual 5w-30, there's no reason not to try it.


yep, that's it.

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