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#3133836 - 09/23/13 08:03 PM Wall Power Outlet upside down...
mattwithcats Offline


Registered: 06/13/13
Posts: 420
Loc: Virginia
I made an error today while fixing the garbage disposal.
I replaced the fried wall outlet that was the cause of the problem, wired it correctly, but installed it upside down...

Will this matter?

Used a GFCI, ugly grey, was cheaper than white or almond...
It's under the sink, so you can't see it....

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#3133842 - 09/23/13 08:09 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 12650
Loc: Upstate NY
Well it almost does not matter. Is the ground at the top or bottom. Ground at the bottom is old school. Ground at the top prevents something like a paper clip or bobby pin dropped between the plug and outlet from contacting hot without popping the breaker.
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#3133843 - 09/23/13 08:10 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
Pop_Rivit Offline


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 3266
Loc: Midwest
It makes no difference-there's no such thing as upside down. I never met an electrical inspector that cared either way-just as long as they were wired correctly and worked.

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#3133846 - 09/23/13 08:12 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
Jeffy_D Offline


Registered: 01/27/12
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Loc: missouri
As long as its wired correctly it will be fine
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#3133847 - 09/23/13 08:12 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 22989
Loc: ME
Hospitals seem to like having the ground on top. They're somewhat crazy.

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#3133867 - 09/23/13 08:30 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: Pop_Rivit]
cmorr Offline


Registered: 12/10/06
Posts: 621
Loc: Exeter Twp, PA
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
It makes no difference-there's no such thing as upside down. I never met an electrical inspector that cared either way-just as long as they were wired correctly and worked.


Correct, most commercial electricians install ground plug up, residential ground side down

It is not addressed in the NEC (was raised and rejected)

18-36 Log #3897 NEC-P18 Final Action: Reject
(406.4(B))

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Submitter: Ronald Standley, E Light Electric Services
Recommendation: Add new text as follows:
Exception No. 1: Where metal cover plates are installed, receptacles shall be
mounted such that the ground pin opening is above the hot and neutral
openings.
Substantiation: If multiple failing conditions are encountered (i.e., plug not
fully inserted, metal cover loosens, etc.) it is possible that the metal cover
could contact the hot conductor creating a short circuit and a fire hazard.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: This proposal is not substantiated with incident data
indicating burn or electrocution exposure or the circumstances surrounding
such incidents.
Additionally, the proposal only addresses receptacles installed in a vertical
plane. How does one insure in a receptacle mounted on a horizontal surface
that the ground pin opening is above the hot and neutral openings?
Number Eligible to Vote: 11
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 11
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#3133873 - 09/23/13 08:35 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
mattwithcats Offline


Registered: 06/13/13
Posts: 420
Loc: Virginia
Note that I used a GFCI, location is near kitchen sink..

Both bathrooms also have GFCI's...

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#3133884 - 09/23/13 08:50 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 12650
Loc: Upstate NY
I have always wired disposals direct with a wall switch.
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#3133936 - 09/23/13 09:52 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
Kruse Offline


Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 2901
Loc: Kansas
Most electricians will say that the only thing that matters is that all of them (in the same business or residence) are all installed the same, either up or down doesn't really matter, just that all of them are either up or down.

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#3133957 - 09/23/13 10:19 PM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
tom slick Offline


Registered: 05/26/03
Posts: 8401
Loc: Central Coast, Calif.
Some electricians will install a receptacle that is on a switch with the ground hole up. They can be installed sideways also.
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#3134093 - 09/24/13 06:42 AM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
kb01 Offline


Registered: 10/05/09
Posts: 925
Loc: USA
Upside down receptacles and tan wire nuts seem to be the hallmark of professional electricians.

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#3134275 - 09/24/13 10:15 AM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: kb01]
Blaze Offline


Registered: 12/31/10
Posts: 873
Loc: Washington State (East)
Originally Posted By: kb01
Upside down receptacles and tan wire nuts seem to be the hallmark of professional electricians.
yes,, mine was done that way when we had the remodel done. Had to get used to it but no problem now.

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#3134406 - 09/24/13 11:55 AM Re: Wall Power Outlet upside down... [Re: mattwithcats]
zzyzzx Offline


Registered: 05/18/12
Posts: 1351
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
I have the one outlet for my gas dryer upside down intentionally, since that's the way the cord seems to be wired. Presumably the manufacturer thinks I want to put it on the same outlet as my washer. Other than that, all of mine are right side up. It makes no difference if it's upside down, as long as it's wired correctly!

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