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#313289 - 02/03/03 09:25 PM Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
I got an email back today from a Wix representative but can't quite make out what he's talking about with the Beta ratings. Here is his email:


quote:

These are all automotive type filters that use our T3 Media.

The overall efficiency during the filter's life, known as WAE (weighted
average efficiency) of ours is in the 95 to 96% range.

Beta: 2 =10, 20 = 25, 75 = 31. Average micron is 19.

Note: We also use a Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve (when required) in all
our Automotive type filters.


Wayne Smith
Product Manager Filters
DANA Canada Inc.
wayne.smith1@dana.com


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#313290 - 02/04/03 12:06 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Ken2 Offline


Registered: 12/02/02
Posts: 5931
Loc: Washington St.
Here's a Baldwin engineering bulletin which explains beta ratings: http://www.kennedydiesel.com/engbull.html

Beta 2 on this filter is 50% capture (called nominal) of the 10 particles. Beta 20 is 95% capture of the 25 particles. Beta 75 is 98.5% (absolute) capture of the 31 particles.

For comparison, Champ Labs told me that M1 filters are 10 @ 75% (beta 3), and 20 absolute (beta 75). Baldwin told me that their B2 filter is Beta 2=20 and Beta 75=45. Racor told me that their LFS33835 transmission filter is 6 abosolute.


Ken

[ February 04, 2003, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]

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#313291 - 02/04/03 12:17 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
If these Wix filters also flow as well as has been reported here, they may be the new darling of this website! Move over Supertech! [Smile]

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#313292 - 02/04/03 05:56 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
boxcartommie22 Offline


Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 2940
Loc: moutain country
hi patman , i talked to red line today and just by chance i asked them what their fav and best filter on the market is even much better then mobil 1 and k&n....they said theirs tests should wix and napa gold are the very best even in the racing crowd

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#313293 - 02/05/03 02:42 PM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
I was on the Wix website and looked up a few filters and compared their specs to the Purolator specs in the Purolator book. I noticed that Wix's bypass settings are lower. One that would be 12-14 in the Purolator application would be 8-10 in the Wix one for example.

Is this because the Wix flows much better? Or would the Wix end up going into bypass more often? (or less often?)

I am still waiting for the Dana rep to email back to let me know if AC Delco filters in Canada are identical to Wix (since they are also made by Dana) He was quick to respond to my questions on Tuesday, but totally ignored my email on Wednesday (maybe he was sick perhaps?)

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#313294 - 02/05/03 04:41 PM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
I came into work this morning and the email was waiting in my inbox! Here is what the Dana rep told me:

quote:

Yes DANA makes a lot of the AC Delco brand in Canada. AC has their own
media which differs from ours in that it is more efficient right off the
start but has a shorter life. Most companies that we manufacture for have a
unique media just for their brand. We stock over 60 different types of
media in our manufacturing facility. What DANA does is try and get the
longest life, best flow with the best media without causing the by-pass
valve to open. Our filters will flow 7-9 GPM under normal operation. The
by-pass valve should only open on cold starts or if the filter becomes
plugged.


Wayne Smith
Product Manager Filters
DANA Canada Inc.


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#313295 - 02/06/03 12:08 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
oilcanboyd Offline


Registered: 12/03/02
Posts: 255
Loc: los angeles county
i want to know more about the wix oil filter b/c i am thinking about using it.

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#313296 - 02/06/03 12:16 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
quote:
Originally posted by oilcanboyd:
i want to know more about the wix oil filter b/c i am thinking about using it.

Try doing a Google search on Wix and you'll find some good reading out there. The Wix website has some good info on it, plus if you key in your part number (from any other oil filter brand) it will give you a cross reference and all the specs on the Wix version for your car.

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#313297 - 02/06/03 12:28 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Oldswagon Offline


Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 752
Loc: ON
Patman,

so the Canadian AC/Delco's are better for short term use than the Wix since they have a media that is more efficient? I am not interested in maximize oil change intervals, so would this be a better filter choice for me over the Wix? Are those flow numbers are only for the Wix filters?

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#313298 - 02/06/03 03:59 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
I believe those flow numbers are for the Wix only, although I've also heard higher flow numbers than that, so I'm not 100% sure.

For short intervals the Wix would still probably be better. If the Wix outflows the AC Delco, it will show lower engine wear.

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#313299 - 02/06/03 05:46 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
YZF150 Offline


Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 654
Loc: 4750' N 10655' E
Now that you're in tight with Wayne, why don't you ask him to confirm everything else that you (and we) want to know. This might be the golden opportunity to actually learn what a filter, any filter, can or can't do.

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#313300 - 02/06/03 06:20 AM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
rob-the-oil-nut Offline


Registered: 02/04/03
Posts: 529
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Wayne might be up to his eyebrows in proverbial alligators such as employee theft, shortage of parts, supply chains, etc. As a "manager" that doesn't mean he will know more than any contributor to this site. Like, I have a by-pass filter, how do I know even that I should CARE about the 'regular' filter? One theory is that it filters 30 times as thorough, 1/30th the flow rate, there should be very few particles in the 'regular' filter anyhow, change it twice a year and don't think about it too much [Wink]
Any feedback on that and what filter is best, from Wayne, Sprintman, Patman, or anyone else, is of course welcome and invited, but right about now it's making me a bit confused [Confused]
Rob

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#313301 - 02/06/03 01:34 PM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
I don't think Wayne would reveal any big secrets. Based on his reply, and his avoidance of some of my questions, such as giving out the flow data for AC Delco, I'm sure his hands are tied (legally speaking) so he can't be totally candid with me.

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#313302 - 02/06/03 05:20 PM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Oldswagon Offline


Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 752
Loc: ON
quote:
Originally posted by Patman:
I believe those flow numbers are for the Wix only, although I've also heard higher flow numbers than that, so I'm not 100% sure.

For short intervals the Wix would still probably be better. If the Wix outflows the AC Delco, it will show lower engine wear.

But if the AC/Delco has flow rates close to that of the Wix, what makes it better? Would the more efficient media of the AC/Delco have any benfits? Do you know of any retailers in Ontario that carry Wix filters? How do they compare in price versus the AC/Delco's at Walmart?

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#313303 - 02/06/03 07:09 PM Re: Help me decipher this Wix data
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 19195
Loc: Oakville, Ontario
But I don't believe the AC Delco flows as good as the Wix. The AC Delco's slightly more efficient filtration would be better for a car driven gently, or all highway, but I feel the higher flow filters will show better wear numbers, especially for those of us who drive harder. There are many different types of media used on oil filters, so some might flow better but filter worse, while others might flow better but filter better. It all depends on how much of a synthetic blend they use in the filter too.

As far as where to get Wix, I've been told they are sold in UAP NAPA stores and Carquest. I did a Google search and found out there is a Carquest not too far from my house that I didn't even know about. I'm not sure on the pricing but if I have time after work (if traffic doesn't suck!) I will go pick up some Wix filters tonight. Otherwise I will go tomorrow. I'll report the pricing then. Although I bet the AC Delcos from Walmart, at $3.50 to $5, will be cheaper.

[ February 07, 2003, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Patman ]

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