Ultra 8 Filter ? Less Expensive Nippon?

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I recently took a trip to NAPA to get a filter for my '94 Miata. When I asked the parts guy about a NAPA Gold, he also brought another filter out with the Gold.

"Half the price and OEM" he said. So, I took a look and bought one just for the heck of it. $8 vs. $16.

I was wondering if anyone has used these? Looks like my OEM, but filtering material is orange instead of white.

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I have never seen an Ultra-8 filter before, but I wouldn't use it on my car. Ultra-8 is the line by NAPA which includes short lived suspension parts and pathetic warp prone rotors.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
I have never seen an Ultra-8 filter before, but I wouldn't use it on my car. Ultra-8 is the line by NAPA which includes short lived suspension parts and pathetic warp prone rotors.


I compared to the NAPA and it looked every bit as good. That's why I tried it. Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But this filter looked very well made. The pleats and construction were every bit as well made as the more expensive NAPA GOLD. I guess the we'll find out in my next UOA.
 
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Thanks for posting that. I couldn't see paying twice the price. I use NAPA GOLD oil filters and they are indeed great filters. In this case, I really think the Ultra 8 is a bargain.
 
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But


This is the problem, and I do it too. We are enticed by the price and good looks, meanwhile there are people at the domestic filter plants with one less filter to make. These neigbors work, pay taxes, pay into social security, and participate in our democracy. Later when China has the market cornered everywhere, prices will climb back to the same as US made. This is how the Japanese did it, aside from their quality ethic. I think they are laughing all the way to the bank. China as #1 is very scary indeed.
 
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Originally Posted By: JGmazda
I compared to the NAPA and it looked every bit as good. That's why I tried it. Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But this filter looked very well made.


Looks can be deceiving.

I have bought chinese in the past, but will not anymore.

Even down to windsheild wipers.
Bought Bosch excels (made in Belgium)
Fit great, works great.
My last pair of china-specials would literally pop off the arm when i switched the wipers on!

Do i want that kind of engineering filtering the oil or air going into my engine???







No.
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Originally Posted By: OAS
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
I compared to the NAPA and it looked every bit as good. That's why I tried it. Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But this filter looked very well made.


Looks can be deceiving.

I have bought chinese in the past, but will not anymore.

Even down to windsheild wipers.
Bought Bosch excels (made in Belgium)
Fit great, works great.
My last pair of china-specials would literally pop off the arm when i switched the wipers on!

Do i want that kind of engineering filtering the oil or air going into my engine???







No.
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Here in Florida, Bosch wipers don't last long. In fact, I often see stuff from China outlast Bosch in Florida.
 
Originally Posted By: Newtonville
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But


This is the problem, and I do it too. We are enticed by the price and good looks, meanwhile there are people at the domestic filter plants with one less filter to make. These neigbors work, pay taxes, pay into social security, and participate in our democracy. Later when China has the market cornered everywhere, prices will climb back to the same as US made. This is how the Japanese did it, aside from their quality ethic. I think they are laughing all the way to the bank. China as #1 is very scary indeed.


Agreed! But here's the catch...

I'd gladly buy the NAPA GOLD filter...if it was made HERE! As far as I can tell, it's made in Mexico. Almost everything is made outside the US. I won't get into it here...but like you...
I'm sorry to say we (as a country) are in deep deep trouble.

People in general don't get the "buy it domestic" argument. Mainly because it's now so difficult to fully determine where our products are manufactured.
 
Originally Posted By: OAS
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
I compared to the NAPA and it looked every bit as good. That's why I tried it. Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But this filter looked very well made.


Looks can be deceiving.

I have bought chinese in the past, but will not anymore.

Even down to windsheild wipers.
Bought Bosch excels (made in Belgium)
Fit great, works great.
My last pair of china-specials would literally pop off the arm when i switched the wipers on!

Do i want that kind of engineering filtering the oil or air going into my engine???


No.
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I understand that for the most part, Chinese made products are very cheaply made imitations and lack quality control. In this case, this filter "looked" just as well made as the "twice the price" Mexican filter. It wasn't just glued together with all the pleats bent. The plastic and the gasket equaled that of the more costly Gold version.

I imagine there might be a difference in "filtration" but I don't think my engine (or a human) could determine the effectiveness of the paper media without extensive testing.

I'll submit my next UOA for consideration. For the most part though, I agree with your observations.
 
Originally Posted By: JGmazda
Originally Posted By: artificialist
I have never seen an Ultra-8 filter before, but I wouldn't use it on my car. Ultra-8 is the line by NAPA which includes short lived suspension parts and pathetic warp prone rotors.


I compared to the NAPA and it looked every bit as good. That's why I tried it. Yes, I tend to stay away from things made in China. But this filter looked very well made. The pleats and construction were every bit as well made as the more expensive NAPA GOLD. I guess the we'll find out in my next UOA.


Have you seen Ultra 8 Oil Filter? Its NIPPON and its built like a TANK.... It reminds me of the old Honda Filtech A01s

Also they are like 6$, Now the Napa Silva is 2.99$ and the Napa GOLD is 5.99$
so if you believe in the saying ** YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR ** then Ultra Brand 8 is good stuff.

I cant wait to cut the Ultra Brand 8 Filter open to see what it looks like, to see if its like the A01s.. It sure reminds me of it, However its still fatter filter compared to the A01 and A02s ,

Soon as Im done with the OCI, I will cut open this Ultra Brand 8 / NIPPON Oil fitler and show the pics

On the box it says Ultra -8 Performance
For Honda
15400-PR3-004
15400-POH-305

On the filter it says the same thing but has text in English and Chinese or Japanese

HOWEVER on the TOP it says TOV ISO9001
when I google that it says something about what I pasted below, also all there air filters have good reviews also.

Because of its independent and impartial status, SwRI frequently offers opportunities to participate in cooperative research and development programs. Institute technical divisions supporting filtration technology have achieved certification to ISO 9001 or 9002, ensuring compliance with stringent quality control procedures in design, development, and testing.





Anyone ever see that above?
or this link about the test below?

http://www.swri.org/3pubs/brochure/d03/PDFs/Filtra.pdf
 
Originally Posted By: JGmazda

I'll submit my next UOA for consideration. For the most part though, I agree with your observations.


UOA do not provide information detailed enough to accurately determine oil filter effectiveness. The spectrometer used for determining the amount and type of particles only "reads" particles in the 3-5 micron range, an area where most full flow filters have very low effectiveness. Most UOA's look the same no matter what fitler is used and what you see are more or less small particles from wear. It's done that way more or less on purpose so that filtration doesn't effect the results much.

To do an accurate filtration test, you need a before and after particle counts, i.e. one test done with the first "baseline" filter, then another done with the "improved" filter. Preferably both done using an optical counter but if nothing else both tests done on the same (type) of machine (optical or pore blockage).
 
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
NAPA is big into chinese stuff.


Im starting to hate to buy things from CHINA.

CHINA made products are built via good ole COAL POWER!

I do not want to get to political
but watch the documentary on you tube

China Dirty Secret

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQaiJxK-qZY

after you watch this, you will not want to buy anything from CHINA again.
 
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
NAPA is big into chinese stuff.

From what I have seen, AAP is even worse.

I also avoid things made in China.
 
As an american consumer, I want to have my cake and eat it, too, because the TV-box says I'm entitled to things of which I clearly didn't work for.

in other words, I want a high paying job with little work as possible, but still buy things for cheap without caring what it took to make it cheap. Then I complain to congress as to why my taxes are going up and then complain about sweatshops on a phone made by the same sweatshops...

Honestly, who here has bought something that said "Made in Mexico" and thought that was close enough?
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
NAPA is big into chinese stuff.

From what I have seen, AAP is even worse.

I also avoid things made in China.



Did you watch the video? Also whats worse is all that SMOG makes its way here one way or another.... 400 MILLION TONS OF COAL BURNED A YEAR.. Thats over 100 TONS PER DAY!
However it only costs 1$ per TON I guess its smart to use COAL for Energy, however its so dirty. Watch that You tube video.. Im sorry the change i subject but you have to see this.

China Dirty Secret

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQaiJxK-qZY

after you watch this, you will not want to buy anything from CHINA again.
 
Originally Posted By: David1
Did you watch the video? Also whats worse is all that SMOG makes its way here one way or another.... 400 MILLION TONS OF COAL BURNED A YEAR.. Thats over 100 TONS 1 million tons PER DAY!
However it only costs 1$ per TON I guess its smart to use COAL for Energy, however its so dirty. Watch that You tube video.. Im sorry the change i subject but you have to see this.

China Dirty Secret

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQaiJxK-qZY

after you watch this, you will not want to buy anything from CHINA again.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: David1
Did you watch the video? Also whats worse is all that SMOG makes its way here one way or another.... 400 MILLION TONS OF COAL BURNED A YEAR.. Thats over 100 TONS 1 million tons PER DAY!
However it only costs 1$ per TON I guess its smart to use COAL for Energy, however its so dirty. Watch that You tube video.. Im sorry the change i subject but you have to see this.

China Dirty Secret

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQaiJxK-qZY

after you watch this, you will not want to buy anything from CHINA again.



Sorry about the math mistake.

also CHINAS COAL is very DIRTY... They want to buy a Claener COAL we have in MONTANA however that COAL has to make its way via RAIL ROAD all the way to Washington then via a HUGE SHIP YARD they are building...

Also as I said INDIA Want the COAL also and its predicted they can burn just as much as CHINA and if that happens its going to be bad..

Did you watch the Video????

Also that COAL that the USA has, we have so much we could power the world for 450 years...

However that COAL belongs to the People of the U.S.A

Has anyone else researched this or at least saw the video???

Sorry again for subject change but this is a huge problem

THINK about it..

think if you AIR was so DIRTY that you had to wear special mask just to go outside...

its nuts.
 
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