Chevron Lubricants Q&A

click here to participate in the Chevron Lubricants Q&A

Recent Topics
New and used Puro Classic L14610
by Sierra048
04/21/15 09:35 AM
Was there a personal all time best?
by camperbob
04/21/15 08:31 AM
93 year old Oskar Groening on trial
by OVERKILL
04/21/15 08:07 AM
Full synthetic for Kia Forte?
by 02s4audi
04/21/15 07:23 AM
5 Million chickens ??
by CourierDriver
04/21/15 07:00 AM
WHAT ABOUT
by Baseball17
04/21/15 01:46 AM
Can an overheating engine REALLY cause a fire?
by Avery4
04/20/15 10:55 PM
Oil recommendation for Chevy LS7 454 crate engine?
by 340_Magnum
04/20/15 10:44 PM
"High Age" oil
by otis24
04/20/15 10:12 PM
Mobil1 AFE 0w20 in 2014 Mazda3
by adamgirard
04/20/15 09:38 PM
M1 0w-40 in a Saturn SL1
by faramir9
04/20/15 09:21 PM
Big Lots Peak oil BOGO $3.80
by SpeedyG75VW
04/20/15 08:50 PM
Newest Members
bisonwings, P7M8HK, Evie2015, Jimdraper, adamgirard
53665 Registered Users
Who's Online
105 registered (97f150, Andrei, anl0109, 2010_FX4, 01_celica_gt, 11 invisible), 1695 Guests and 219 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
53665 Members
66 Forums
230086 Topics
3682209 Posts

Max Online: 2862 @ 07/07/14 03:10 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#3126457 - 09/16/13 11:07 AM VW to phase out N/A engines
NateDN10 Online   content


Registered: 01/10/10
Posts: 1470
Loc: Rochester, NY
http://blog.caranddriver.com/volkswagen-...furt-auto-show/

Do you think that in the future naturally aspirated gasoline engines will be as rare as naturally aspirated diesels are today?
_________________________
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt - 90,000 mi.
2012 Mazda5 - 70,000 mi.

Top
#3126464 - 09/16/13 11:18 AM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
d00df00d Online   content


Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 9620
Loc: PA
BMW has already done that (at least in the US), and natural aspiration used to be an extremely important part of what made them special.

I think NA engines will be like manual transmissions: they will continue to exist, but in very low numbers and only in certain market niches.
_________________________
2011 Mazda RX-8 R3
Castrol GTX 5w-20

Top
#3126467 - 09/16/13 11:20 AM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
DemoFly Offline


Registered: 06/03/12
Posts: 693
Loc: Bremerton, WA
Having worked on too many 1.8T engines, this scares me.

I hope they push forward innovation so all companies work on making turbo gas engines bulletproof reliable.
_________________________
Pushrods, please.

Top
#3126471 - 09/16/13 11:24 AM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: DemoFly]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 12612
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Having worked on too many 1.8T engines, this scares me.

I hope they push forward innovation so all companies work on making turbo gas engines bulletproof reliable.



The 2.0TFSI has proven that they're very capable when it comes to reliable turbo'd motors.
_________________________
2011.5 BMW M3 saloon ZCP
der stärkste buchstabe der welt
Castrol Edge Professional TWS 10w60 + Mahle OX 254D3

Top
#3126478 - 09/16/13 11:32 AM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
rjundi Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 7002
Loc: USA
This is the same silly company who put a benched for a generation motor back into base model Jetta's. They actually put a 2.0L 8V motor into the base model Jetta right now. The same engine tweaked slightly from 1994 model Jetta.

If they can figure out how to make it not premium recommended or required like all the other turbo offerings from VW it may be a decent offering.
_________________________
---

Top
#3126495 - 09/16/13 11:55 AM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
skyactiv Offline


Registered: 03/02/13
Posts: 973
Loc: The Midwest
I dropped my VW off at the dealer this morning for something stupid I did. The dealer gave me a ride home. I asked the shuttle driver if the car was a TDI and he said it's a new 2014 with the 1.8T that replaced the 5 cylinder. The car had some growl and seemed to make it's torque at low RPM's like a diesel.
I think it uses 87 octane and a different fuel system to eliminate intake valve deposits.

Top
#3126501 - 09/16/13 11:57 AM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: dparm]
wemay Offline


Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 3506
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Having worked on too many 1.8T engines, this scares me.

I hope they push forward innovation so all companies work on making turbo gas engines bulletproof reliable.



The 2.0TFSI has proven that they're very capable when it comes to reliable turbo'd motors.


Maybe from 2012 forward but my VW diehard budies are having terrible issue with the fuel injection system on their 2010 and 2011 models. Issues also persist with the TDI fuel-rail system. Not sure if these are factory design or assembly caused though.


Edited by wemay (09/16/13 12:01 PM)
_________________________
HYUNDAI
14 Sonata 2.4: GTX Magnatec 5w20 / OEM
13 Santa fe Sport 2.0T: QSUD 5w30 / OEM

Top
#3126503 - 09/16/13 12:02 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 15967
Loc: Sunny Florida
According to my sources there may be some issues with the older generation despite what is said. But I feel certain that VW has addressed the common issues and refined the engines accordingly.

Seems that many mfgrs have had some teething pains with DI, many have figured it out. It's not the turbo that means trouble...
_________________________
"In a democracy, dissent is an act of faith."
J. William Fulbright
Best ET-12.79 @ 111 mph
4340 pounds, Street tires
Just like we go to Publix

Top
#3126546 - 09/16/13 12:35 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
jrustles Offline


Registered: 02/24/13
Posts: 2035
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Wow.
How many GDI turbo 4cyl engines were on the market in 2006?
How many are there NOW?
_________________________
"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine" W.Blum

Top
#3126621 - 09/16/13 01:56 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
Nebroch Offline


Registered: 05/16/13
Posts: 240
Loc: Finland
Originally Posted By: NateDN10

Do you think that in the future naturally aspirated gasoline engines will be as rare as naturally aspirated diesels are today?


I don't think so. When you have a system like Toyota's HSD charging won't give you sufficient or any benefits, it just increases costs and adds complexity. VW's small gasoline turbos have gained some bad reputation in Europe due low reliability and high maintenance costs.

Top
#3126654 - 09/16/13 02:25 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: SteveSRT8]
css9450 Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 1712
Loc: Glen Ellyn, IL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
According to my sources there may be some issues with the older generation despite what is said. But I feel certain that VW has addressed the common issues and refined the engines accordingly.


It seems we've been hearing that about VWs for, uh, quite a few decades now.

Top
#3126661 - 09/16/13 02:30 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
shDK Online   content


Registered: 04/03/13
Posts: 583
Loc: Denmark
Actually. The old cast iron 1.8 multipoint 1.8 turbo (AGU) was a lot better engine then the tsi and tfsi engines of today.

Top
#3126688 - 09/16/13 03:03 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
440Magnum Offline


Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 6799
Loc: Texas
With the increasing use of direct injection for gasoline engines, the gasoline and diesel cycles are going to eventually blend into a multi-fuel capable engine architecture (which was something that was hoped for way back in the 70s, but the technology just wasn't there). Even before that happens, the severe limitations of forced induction for spark-ignited engines start to go away and turbocharging can be much more useful for them than with the sub-20 lbs boost and premium fuel with aggressive spark retard under boost that older turbo gasoline engines were subject to.

So yes- I figure N/A engines will disappear just before fossil fuels disappear altogether :-p
_________________________
'66 Dodge Polara & '69 Dodge Coronet R/T both 440/727
'08 Ram 1500 4.7/545RFE
'12 Challenger SRT8 392/6-speed
'99 Cherokee 4.0, '11 Grand Cherokee 3.6

Top
#3126730 - 09/16/13 04:00 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: NateDN10]
hisilver Offline


Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 530
Loc: NC
What's the G in GDI mean?

Top
#3126734 - 09/16/13 04:03 PM Re: VW to phase out N/A engines [Re: hisilver]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 12404
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Gasoline - I suspect to differentiate it from the many diesel direct injection engines they and others market.
_________________________
Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 coupe - Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40, Hastings LF113
1984 F-150 4.9L six - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >