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#3124336 - 09/14/13 04:49 AM GM tops in torque~
SteveSRT8 Offline


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http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/09/1...intcmp=features

Loving those new DI V8's. Can't wait to see how they run in the real world.
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#3124342 - 09/14/13 05:25 AM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Put that motor in a regular cab, 2WD 1500 and have some fun.
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#3124404 - 09/14/13 07:12 AM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
hattaresguy Offline


Registered: 06/01/11
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To bad its only going in the $60k trucks.

That would be a fun motor to have in a lighter truck, or if they made another SS...


Edited by hattaresguy (09/14/13 07:13 AM)

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#3124412 - 09/14/13 07:21 AM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Perhaps the 6.2L does - for now. The Ford 6.2L has plenty of room for improvement.

The new DI 5.3L GM motor still makes less HP and only 3 ft lbs more Torque than my 5.0L Ford, yet has more displacement. I'm not impressed.

BTW - I tow a LOT and if you pull 11,000+ lbs with a half ton, you're a fool. These "towing wars" with ALL the auto makers are nothing but silly to me.
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#3124418 - 09/14/13 07:33 AM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
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A quick tweak to the Ecoboost and it will top GM. My guess is they will up power for 2015's redesign. The 5.0 has LOTS of headroom as does the 6.2.

In the 1500 space, Ram is the one sorely feeling the heat. Lowest payload, lowest tow ratings, and average fuel economy.
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#3124422 - 09/14/13 07:42 AM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: Zaedock]
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Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Perhaps the 6.2L does - for now. The Ford 6.2L has plenty of room for improvement.

The new DI 5.3L GM motor still makes less HP and only 3 ft lbs more Torque than my 5.0L Ford, yet has more displacement. I'm not impressed.

BTW - I tow a LOT and if you pull 11,000+ lbs with a half ton, you're a fool. These "towing wars" with ALL the auto makers are nothing but silly to me.

Amen
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#3124475 - 09/14/13 08:26 AM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: itguy08]
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I read in a few places that stock, the ecoboast is good for 500/500 ... the problem was that it was blowing up AWD components in the SHO and had to be detuned. I'm sure it would be pretty easy for Ford to up the power a bit more with some software tweaks




Originally Posted By: itguy08
A quick tweak to the Ecoboost and it will top GM. My guess is they will up power for 2015's redesign. The 5.0 has LOTS of headroom as does the 6.2.

In the 1500 space, Ram is the one sorely feeling the heat. Lowest payload, lowest tow ratings, and average fuel economy.


The first two was intentional ... they purposely went with coil springs ...

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#3124850 - 09/14/13 05:48 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: Zaedock]
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Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 204
Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Perhaps the 6.2L does - for now. The Ford 6.2L has plenty of room for improvement.

The new DI 5.3L GM motor still makes less HP and only 3 ft lbs more Torque than my 5.0L Ford, yet has more displacement. I'm not impressed.

BTW - I tow a LOT and if you pull 11,000+ lbs with a half ton, you're a fool. These "towing wars" with ALL the auto makers are nothing but silly to me.


Less hp? Only 3 more ft lbs of torque? True, but at what rpm's? Oh and since we are talking about what's been put on paper lets not forget that the GM engine with more "displacement" gets better fuel economy then the 5.0. Direct injection or not the 5.3 is STILL a push rod engine, and of course the 5.0 has DOHC…
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#3124859 - 09/14/13 05:53 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: jimmy87]
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Perhaps the 6.2L does - for now. The Ford 6.2L has plenty of room for improvement.

The new DI 5.3L GM motor still makes less HP and only 3 ft lbs more Torque than my 5.0L Ford, yet has more displacement. I'm not impressed.

BTW - I tow a LOT and if you pull 11,000+ lbs with a half ton, you're a fool. These "towing wars" with ALL the auto makers are nothing but silly to me.


Less hp? Only 3 more ft lbs of torque? True, but at what rpm's? Oh and since we are talking about what's been put on paper lets not forget that the GM engine with more "displacement" gets better fuel economy then the 5.0. Direct injection or not the 5.3 is STILL a push rod engine, and of course the 5.0 has DOHC…


Isn't the F-150 heavier?

I can see the 5.0L making 500HP with DI. Considering it made 444HP in non-DI BOSS 302 trim.

I don't think anybody is knocking the LSx engines, they are a formidable force. But once shouldn't underestimate their competition either. The current generation of Ford's OHC engines have proven to not only be extremely durable but potent performers as well.

All of the current trucks have awesome engine line-ups IMHO.
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#3124863 - 09/14/13 05:57 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Simple tuning and the ford 5.0 will easily beat those numbers but low rpm grunt is what a truck needs and a dohc engine tends to need rpm for power.
Dodge can likely get more hp from the hemi,and mds helps fuel economy.
I look forward to seeing what happens next
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#3124870 - 09/14/13 06:05 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
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I dunno. Used to be common to derate motors in trucks. Cars generally don't do heavy loads for long periods of time. Lots of heat gets generated. Has that changed today? As in, vastly better control over hot spots in the engine, and keeping uniform temps, oil issues and whatnot?
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#3124873 - 09/14/13 06:11 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: Clevy]
jimmy87 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
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Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Simple tuning and the ford 5.0 will easily beat those numbers but low rpm grunt is what a truck needs and a dohc engine tends to need rpm for power.
Dodge can likely get more hp from the hemi,and mds helps fuel economy.
I look forward to seeing what happens next


Very true!

"low rpm grunt is what a truck needs",

A. K. A:

LOW END TORQUE!



Edited by jimmy87 (09/14/13 06:13 PM)
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#3124878 - 09/14/13 06:20 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: jimmy87]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: jimmy87
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Simple tuning and the ford 5.0 will easily beat those numbers but low rpm grunt is what a truck needs and a dohc engine tends to need rpm for power.
Dodge can likely get more hp from the hemi,and mds helps fuel economy.
I look forward to seeing what happens next


Very true!

"low rpm grunt is what a truck needs",

A. K. A:

LOW END TORQUE!



Which is where the variable cam timing on a DOHC motor can shine if done right. My M5 makes prodigious torque right off idle and its torque curve looks like Saskatchewan. But it doesn't make peak HP until 6,800RPM.

Ford would be able to work similar magic with their 5.0L.
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#3124880 - 09/14/13 06:24 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: OVERKILL]
Duffman77 Offline


Registered: 12/21/06
Posts: 561
Loc: Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
and its torque curve looks like Saskatchewan.


Great comment but there is maybe only 10 guys on this site that can appreciate it.

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#3124898 - 09/14/13 06:53 PM Re: GM tops in torque~ [Re: SteveSRT8]
wirelessF Offline


Registered: 10/04/07
Posts: 1421
Loc: Oahu, Hawaii
Can't wait for these Gen V's to be in aftermarket applications.
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