Originally Posted By: The_Eric
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
All this talk of rubber expanding plugs and oversize plugs is silly
Do you know this guys capabilities or his tool box?
Come over and swap a W body 3.8 or a Northstar and lots of other pans out and then tell me how silly it is.
10hrs on a N* under ideal conditions with the tools and a lift double that on your back.
Swapping the pan is fine if its easy enough to get at but there is nothing wrong with an oversize piggyback plug or re thread job if its done properly.
The correct repair depends on a lot of things, if its tight, doesn't leak and you can change the oil its correct.
Its easy to armchair repairs but consider the job not just the price of the pan. what happens if the exhaust manifold studs break then you have the next fiasco ditto lots of other things that can and do go sideways on a job like this.
Trav, you're right about me not knowing his skill level or how well prepared he is tool wise.
There are several forum members that have no business simply changing their own oil, let alone anything more complicated and yet they ask for and receive all sorts of advice. I recommended what felt was the best course (and I would do it to my own car too) and you recommended what you felt was the best course of action - and would likely practice what you preach. It's up to the o.p. to decide what's right for him. I did overstress my opinion, and even though I feel it's the correct repair, I shouldn't have stated it like I did.
You needn't lecture me about oil pans on W bodies (I've done several too) or the Northstar engine... I've had the unfortunate luck to have had to do one of those as well... On stands, on my back.
I too, probably should have added a disclaimer, but I thought that the job was well within the capabilities of most DIYers. It's pretty straightforward, but you do have to unbolt the steering and the subframe...which I personally don't think is a terribly big deal:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/mechanical-problems-technical-chat/45030-diy-how-remove-oil-pan.html
Book time on it is 3.1 hours.