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#3101581 - 08/21/13 02:13 PM 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel
amr40509 Offline


Registered: 10/11/10
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Loc: ky
I just ordered a new '14 Grand Cherokee with the VM 3.0L diesel.

The manual has oil recommendations in two places.

1) We recommend you use ACEA C3 5W-30 engine oil meeting Chrysler material
standard MS-11106 or Penzoil Ultra Euro L full sythetic 5W-30 motor oil

2) Only use SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Low Ash engine oil such
as MOPAR, Pennzoil® or Shell Helix® which is recommended
for all operating temperatures. This engine oil
improves low temperature starting and vehicle fuel
economy.

Are these really the only oils I can use? I'm having kind of a hard time finding a source of any of them (Except buying MOPAR at the dealer, I assume I'll be able to do that, but haven't called them yet).

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#3101593 - 08/21/13 02:23 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
Clevy Offline


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You need an oil that meets the Chrysler spec. Look like a low saps oil is what they want.
You can use any oil that meets the ms-11106 I assume.
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#3101595 - 08/21/13 02:24 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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So it needs to be ACEA C3 5w30 AND MS-11106? Is that the exact wording?
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#3101597 - 08/21/13 02:27 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
Danno Offline


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Loc: Northern Ontario, Canada
That's the gotcha with the newer diesels. Very specific oil requirements.

I run a large fleet of 3.0L Sprinter diesels and I believe only M1 M (OEM standard) and Valvoline make a 229.51 spec oil. I just go with M1 "M" 229.51 rated oil and don't worry about it.

M1 appears to make that oil specced for MS-11106.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_Formula_5W-30.aspx

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#3101598 - 08/21/13 02:27 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: dparm]
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That was an exact cut/paste from the "Grand Cherokee OWNER’S MANUAL 2014 DIESEL SUPPLEMENT" that I'm pretty sure just became available for the first time today.

The SUVs just went on sale for the US market Aug 9th, none have been delivered yet.


Edited by amr40509 (08/21/13 02:28 PM)

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#3101625 - 08/21/13 02:51 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Ultra Euro L is good. Dealer will probably stock it...ask what they charge per case.
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#3101732 - 08/21/13 04:50 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Nice Ride!!!!!!! When you get it report back, and drive it in good health.
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#3101759 - 08/21/13 05:16 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
Donald Offline


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Was was the price if you don't mind me asking and expected MPG?
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#3102007 - 08/21/13 09:42 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: Donald]
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EPA city/hwy mileage estimates: 22/30 mpg(2WD) 21/28 mpg(4WD)

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#3102204 - 08/22/13 07:33 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: Donald]
amr40509 Offline


Registered: 10/11/10
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Loc: ky
Originally Posted By: Donald
Was was the price if you don't mind me asking and expected MPG?


I don't mind at all:

I went with a Limited 4x4, Off Road II, Lux II, Nav, Block heater. MSRP $49,280. I made the deal back in March for as soon as ordering opened (which just happened) and am paying $44,892 before Tax/Title/License.

EPA city/hwy mileage estimates: 22/30 mpg(2WD) 21/28 mpg(4WD) as stated above. No real life numbers for US spec trucks yet...as they aren't out. But they've had them in Australia for awhile and are reporting a couple of MPG better in real life - but that may not translate.


Edited by amr40509 (08/22/13 07:38 AM)

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#3102214 - 08/22/13 07:42 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: dparm]
amr40509 Offline


Registered: 10/11/10
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Loc: ky
Originally Posted By: dparm
Ultra Euro L is good. Dealer will probably stock it...ask what they charge per case.


I just ordered a couple of cases of it off of the internet, just to have some on hand.

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#3102437 - 08/22/13 11:03 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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#3102448 - 08/22/13 11:12 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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What was the up charge over the 3.6L Pentastar engine? I thought I read about $4,000, I'm wondering what the actual cost was to you? Thanks!
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#3102580 - 08/22/13 01:42 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
Danno Offline


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Really nice writeup on the VM 3.0L diesel. Drool worthy castings and engine pics. I am officially jealous amr40509.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1208dp_banks_vm_motori_630t_v6_diesel_engine/

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#3102734 - 08/22/13 03:57 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: Danno]
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Originally Posted By: Danno
Really nice writeup on the VM 3.0L diesel. Drool worthy castings and engine pics. I am officially jealous amr40509.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1208dp_banks_vm_motori_630t_v6_diesel_engine/



Thanks for your post! Really enjoyed that write up.

Back in the early 80's I bought an Impala with a Gale Banks twin turbo setup on it at an auction. What a guy, he makes GOOD stuff.
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#3102873 - 08/22/13 06:27 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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If that engine is used in GM as well as Chrysler products the price should come down according to the article. That would be great, the engine makes some nice power at low rpms and the mpg is great. What's not to like.
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#3106072 - 08/26/13 11:19 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
What was the up charge over the 3.6L Pentastar engine? I thought I read about $4,000, I'm wondering what the actual cost was to you? Thanks!


Base Engine: 3.6L V6 VVT ENGINE + 8-SPD AUTO 845RE TRANS (Standard)

3.0L V6 TURBO DIESEL ENGINE + 8-SPD AUTO 8HP70 TRANS [MSRP $4,500 / INV. $ 4,005]

5.7L V8 HEMI VVT ENGINE + 8-SPD AUTO 8HP70 TRANS [MSRP $2,695 / INV. $ 2,399]


Edited by amr40509 (08/26/13 11:19 AM)

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#3106079 - 08/26/13 11:36 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
demarpaint Offline


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Thanks, hopefully they sell a lot of them, and the price of the diesel engine comes down a bit. I think you've got a winner there!
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#3122481 - 09/12/13 10:24 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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That looks like a heck of a solid engine... Wow. Very nice.


Edited by Boss302fan (09/12/13 10:24 AM)
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#3127598 - 09/17/13 01:57 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Castrol SLX available at BMW dealerships used to have this spec IIRC.
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#3127980 - 09/17/13 08:04 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If that engine is used in GM as well as Chrysler products the price should come down according to the article. That would be great, the engine makes some nice power at low rpms and the mpg is great. What's not to like.


I hope the price comes down as well. I have never been able to pull the trigger on a diesel because of the up charges and extra coin for fuel.
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#3154223 - 10/13/13 10:54 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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I'm sure ID parts will soon have the oil and maintenance kits for it. They seem to be a good source for diesels.

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#3166242 - 10/24/13 01:17 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: 3311]
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Originally Posted By: 3311
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If that engine is used in GM as well as Chrysler products the price should come down according to the article. That would be great, the engine makes some nice power at low rpms and the mpg is great. What's not to like.


I hope the price comes down as well. I have never been able to pull the trigger on a diesel because of the up charges and extra coin for fuel.



The fuel costs are a wash because of the extra MPG. The extra charge for the motor is what takes a lot of driving to make back.

That being said I have 311,000 miles on the 7.3 van and it still runs like new.


Edited by jayg (10/24/13 01:18 PM)
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#3192957 - 11/20/13 02:20 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Loc: ky
Just wanted to check back in now that I actually have the Jeep. I picked it up on the 10 days ago and have about 900 miles on it now, including one pretty good road trip out of town.

I'm not normally one to gush over an engine...but yeah...this thing is amazing! I'm getting low 20's around town. I drove 500 miles on the interstate at 75-85mph (except one burst up to 118 to see what speed she was limited to) with a FULL truck of big guys/coolers for a football game trip and got 27MPG. I think that 30+ should be expected under better conditions and more ginger driving. And power...The torque is ALWAYS there...and yes...it will spin the tires on dry pavement from a stop even though its full-time 4x4.

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#3194221 - 11/21/13 08:34 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: jayg]
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Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: 3311
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If that engine is used in GM as well as Chrysler products the price should come down according to the article. That would be great, the engine makes some nice power at low rpms and the mpg is great. What's not to like.


I hope the price comes down as well. I have never been able to pull the trigger on a diesel because of the up charges and extra coin for fuel.



The fuel costs are a wash because of the extra MPG. The extra charge for the motor is what takes a lot of driving to make back.

That being said I have 311,000 miles on the 7.3 van and it still runs like new.

In addition, repair costs are a factor. If you need repairs for a diesel, they typically cost more than for gasoline engines.

However, only time will tell which gasoline and diesel engines have higher lifetime repair costs.
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#3194365 - 11/21/13 10:34 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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That 3.0 engine right there would make me seriously consider buying a diesel truck. What a beautiful piece of engineering.
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#3194471 - 11/22/13 05:23 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Agreed. It gives you some hope for diesels in the future if they keep refining them.

Still too new to tell, but I love that they are going outside their own engineering department and looking at innovative designs from other companies...
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#3194535 - 11/22/13 07:37 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Agreed. It gives you some hope for diesels in the future if they keep refining them.

Still too new to tell, but I love that they are going outside their own engineering department and looking at innovative designs from other companies...


+1 If they end up going DI with the Pentastar I'll be looking real hard at the Diesel option if they offer it in the Wrangler next year.
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#3194856 - 11/22/13 01:36 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Agreed. It gives you some hope for diesels in the future if they keep refining them.

Still too new to tell, but I love that they are going outside their own engineering department and looking at innovative designs from other companies...


+1 If they end up going DI with the Pentastar I'll be looking real hard at the Diesel option if they offer it in the Wrangler next year.


You have to wonder if Chrysler is waiting to see what others do first, as the Pstar was their go-to powerplant for their future line up and yet does not have DI!
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#3194905 - 11/22/13 02:20 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Agreed. It gives you some hope for diesels in the future if they keep refining them.

Still too new to tell, but I love that they are going outside their own engineering department and looking at innovative designs from other companies...


+1 If they end up going DI with the Pentastar I'll be looking real hard at the Diesel option if they offer it in the Wrangler next year.


You have to wonder if Chrysler is waiting to see what others do first, as the Pstar was their go-to powerplant for their future line up and yet does not have DI!


They have/had plans for DI in calendar year 2014-2016 according to Allpar. From what I read they were waiting for others to iron out their issues. I learned to pass on the first year of any new technology. Just because Chrysler decided to wait doesn't mean the first year DI Pstar will be problem free. Honestly I'd love to see them scrap the idea totally. hide
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#3194936 - 11/22/13 02:57 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Originally Posted By: amr40509
Just wanted to check back in now that I actually have the Jeep. I picked it up on the 10 days ago and have about 900 miles on it now, including one pretty good road trip out of town.

I'm not normally one to gush over an engine...but yeah...this thing is amazing! I'm getting low 20's around town. I drove 500 miles on the interstate at 75-85mph (except one burst up to 118 to see what speed she was limited to) with a FULL truck of big guys/coolers for a football game trip and got 27MPG. I think that 30+ should be expected under better conditions and more ginger driving. And power...The torque is ALWAYS there...and yes...it will spin the tires on dry pavement from a stop even though its full-time 4x4.


Im very upset that you didnt provide a picture with your report!! mad spank

Sounds absolutely awesome, give us a shot of the engine and one of the oil on the dipstick!

Love this option as compared to the RX450h/highlander hybrid options for a high MPG SUV.

Good stuff, excited to see how it works out for you.

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#3310650 - 03/13/14 01:22 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: JHZR2]
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Update - Almost 7K miles on it and doing great.

Just took a (mostly highway) drive to see some clients on a couple of hours away yesterday.

I'm getting right at 27 (as you can see) on the highway, and right around 20 around town. I think it'll get better this summer, as I've been doing a fair amount of idling and warming up the truck quite a few mornings (two young kids and it's been a brutal winter) - and should also get better when off of the winter formula diesel.

I haven't done any heavy towing yet (not exactly boating weather) but my ATV trailer loaded is right around 3000lbs. It pulls it like it's not even back there. I'll have to do some towing MPG figures later, I haven't really had extended trips to figure that out on yet.

[img]http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Photoview/media/MPG.jpg.html?sort=2&o=1[/img]
[img]http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Photoview/media/JeepSnow.jpeg.html?sort=2&o=0[/img]


Edited by amr40509 (03/13/14 01:26 PM)

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#3310674 - 03/13/14 01:44 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Oh and on oil use....

Changed it at 3800 miles with 17% showing on the truck's oil life meter using Pennzoil Euro L. Mopar filter (seems the only source right now and they are $42 from my dealer's parts counter or $28 online).

That first change was mostly really bad conditions. 500miles of highway, but the rest was a lot of idle, off road (duck season), extrem cold, short trips, and city use. Basically as bad as I could have been to it.

Current oil fill has been in for 3100 miles and is showing 42% remaining - mostly the same conditions as the first change but 1200 miles of interstate driving so far this time.



Edited by amr40509 (03/13/14 01:46 PM)

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#3310686 - 03/13/14 02:09 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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#3310729 - 03/13/14 03:16 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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That is sharp!
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#3310787 - 03/13/14 04:04 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: KCJeep]
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
That is sharp!



Love it.

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#3311045 - 03/13/14 08:30 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Sweet!
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#3311357 - 03/14/14 05:05 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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these things must be selling well, Jeep plant up in Toledo just hired a bunch of part timers(some of whom have already been made full time) so their Full time folks don't get burned out. article said they've been working the full time folks 60hrs a week for a few months now trying to keep up w/ demand.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/20...-work-Copy.html
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#3311466 - 03/14/14 08:07 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Maybe you can tweak the engine a little and get even better than the EPA mileage! My 2006 Jeep Liberty diesel, after doing a tune on it, we could regularly bust 33 mpg on highway running. Even popped a few 35+ mpgs out of it. And the EPA sticker said it only got 27 on highway! Great little 2.8L diesel in that. My son now has it.
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#3311591 - 03/14/14 10:09 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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I think the limiting thing on these is that the supplier
VM in Italy can only at this time make 60000 units for the Ram and Grands.

On the Jeep forum a guy is loaning his to Gale Banks for product development while he is deployed.

There is a thread over there on it. Note Banks did a bunch of work on these for the military and speaks highly of the design.

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#3311613 - 03/14/14 10:21 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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The up charge keeps a lot of people out of them. Nice option though, in time the numbers should come in a bit on them.

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#3313559 - 03/16/14 11:33 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Have a 2014 JGC Diesel, did lot of research looked at 100 or so oil samples from VW,MB,BMW etc using low SAPS oil, the common denominator was high wear, Fe, Al etc. sometimes above 100ppm in regular OCI. I'm seeing more concern for keeping the DPF from become plastered with antiwear metals to downgrade its performance rather than have concern for the engine itself.

After the time suck of research i'm running Rotella T5 10W30. May switch over to T6 or M1 TDT in summer. 10W30 has less vi improvers, good soot control, and anti wear.

FWIW, i'm getting 27mpg 50/50 mix city highway.


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#3313676 - 03/16/14 12:58 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: rockydee]
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Originally Posted By: rockydee
The up charge keeps a lot of people out of them. Nice option though, in time the numbers should come in a bit on them.


Yea the up charge is pretty steep for a lot of people. I love the looks of it though, better IMO than anything else in its class.
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#3314102 - 03/16/14 06:52 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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That is why I got my 2006 Jeep Liberty Diesel. Chrysler had no idea how to up charge it. I got it for a whopping $500 more than the 3.7L gas version! Great little VM 2.8L 4 banger. I got onto VM's website when I bought this, and they designed it to be for a B50 life (less than 50% of the engines would need major repair or overhaul) of 300,000 miles. Same engine they where putting in some marine applications. Jeep had been selling the Liberty (called Cherokee in Europe) with 2.5L VM diesels for some time and decide to build 11,000 for the N. American market with the 2.8L. Too bad the 2007 emission mandates killed the project. And I think those emission standards are the primary inflated cost of the diesel GC now.
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#3314126 - 03/16/14 07:13 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: TiredTrucker]
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Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
That is why I got my 2006 Jeep Liberty Diesel. Chrysler had no idea how to up charge it. I got it for a whopping $500 more than the 3.7L gas version! Great little VM 2.8L 4 banger. I got onto VM's website when I bought this, and they designed it to be for a B50 life (less than 50% of the engines would need major repair or overhaul) of 300,000 miles. Same engine they where putting in some marine applications. Jeep had been selling the Liberty (called Cherokee in Europe) with 2.5L VM diesels for some time and decide to build 11,000 for the N. American market with the 2.8L. Too bad the 2007 emission mandates killed the project. And I think those emission standards are the primary inflated cost of the diesel GC now.


For $500 more I would have been all over it in a heartbeat. You scored big time on your Liberty!
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#3314826 - 03/17/14 11:34 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Yeah those are rare birds I'd be interested in a diesel Liberty as well. So they were only available in 2006?
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#3315766 - 03/18/14 12:10 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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They built 5000 in 2005 and 6000 in 2006. I got one of the last builds in June of 2006. It was assembled in October of 2005. Just sat on a lot in Geneseo IL. Had my dealer in Knoxville IA go get it. I had been searching for one and they checked all the U.S. dealers and found one spec'd identical to what I wanted and the color.
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#3317484 - 03/19/14 09:04 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: rockydee
The up charge keeps a lot of people out of them. Nice option though, in time the numbers should come in a bit on them.


Yea the up charge is pretty steep for a lot of people. I love the looks of it though, better IMO than anything else in its class.


I look at this as the equivalent to the Lexus RX450h. Both get around 28-30 mpg, and cost around $50k. The Lexus design has been fairly similar since forever, but it's a good design. Ditto for the iterations of the wagoner/JGC over time... The JGC has always been a pricy vehicle, but a nice one. So IMO folks must just consider if they would rather have the Lexus or the JGC. As a dieseler myself, I'd give the JGC a look if I were in the market, but the test I'd love to see is this vs the 450h in a head to head comparison.

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#3317488 - 03/19/14 09:11 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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JHZR2 the only issue with the jeep is the price. You take a chick out on a date what would you have a lexus or a jeep?
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#3317498 - 03/19/14 09:20 PM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: amr40509]
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Well the Lexus is kind of a "dad" vehicle, so the jeep may be the better option. If she is so swayed by a symbol on the nose of a car, she's not worth the time or money anyway.

But most will get the Lexus if it's the same money and same MPGs, I'm sure. But let's call a spade a spade... The 450h is a nice vehicle.

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#3319563 - 03/22/14 07:39 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: TiredTrucker]
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Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
That is why I got my 2006 Jeep Liberty Diesel. Chrysler had no idea how to up charge it. I got it for a whopping $500 more than the 3.7L gas version! Great little VM 2.8L 4 banger. I got onto VM's website when I bought this, and they designed it to be for a B50 life (less than 50% of the engines would need major repair or overhaul) of 300,000 miles. Same engine they where putting in some marine applications. Jeep had been selling the Liberty (called Cherokee in Europe) with 2.5L VM diesels for some time and decide to build 11,000 for the N. American market with the 2.8L. Too bad the 2007 emission mandates killed the project. And I think those emission standards are the primary inflated cost of the diesel GC now.


The 2.5 VM engined Cherokee (Liberty) was much more common with the 2.8 in Europe.

The 2.5 was found mostly in more lower spec models.

The 2.5 engine has been fitted in the TX4 London Taxi since 2006. And has now been fitted with a dpf system to meet Euro5

It isn't the most reliable engine.

And needs very good maintenance.

Most common fault is bottom end failure.

I used to rent out a TX4. It is still on the original engine at well over 200k. But many have failed before 80k.

Trick seems to be use full synth oil.

Many that have gone bang were dealer serviced. And they specced semi synth.

Haven't heard of any going bang that have been ran on fully synth.

Only time i used semi i changed it at 6/7k

I found lowest oil use, the engine also seemed a bit quicker believe it or not, with good old Mobil 1 0w40 New Life.

I do like the look of the new Jeep above.

But find it a little too similar to the new RR and RRS.

Both of which have the awesome 3.0v6 twin turbo diesel as fitted to my Jag. And with the later 8speed ZF box which is super smooth.

I would have a diesel Range Rover Sport to be honest.

But certainly wouldn't be unhappy with a Jeep like the OP's.

Jeeps depreciate badly in the UK.

So it is on the shortlist when the Pathfinder has to go.
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#3325185 - 03/27/14 10:09 AM Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - VM 3.0L Turbo Diesel [Re: Fraser434]
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Originally Posted By: Fraser434
Have a 2014 JGC Diesel, did lot of research looked at 100 or so oil samples from VW,MB,BMW etc using low SAPS oil, the common denominator was high wear, Fe, Al etc. sometimes above 100ppm in regular OCI. I'm seeing more concern for keeping the DPF from become plastered with antiwear metals to downgrade its performance rather than have concern for the engine itself.

After the time suck of research i'm running Rotella T5 10W30. May switch over to T6 or M1 TDT in summer. 10W30 has less vi improvers, good soot control, and anti wear.

FWIW, i'm getting 27mpg 50/50 mix city highway.


You really can't compare engines like that though especially over long OCI's

Don't do yourself a disservice and use the wrong oil. Also don't forget that diesel engines can take upwards of 50k mile to break-in. It wasn't uncommon on VW's to not see wear metals drop gradually to that point and then settle. It most likely expects a fully synthetic oil to prevent top end wear on a cold start. T5 is not and I would be weary especially under warranty.
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