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#3162926 - 10/21/13 05:27 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: JHZR2]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
When they ask a question, get an answer, then ask the question again, it gets old really quickly.

Is it the right antiox? That question has actually not been posed in this thread, but it will be answered by this test, and any subsequent testing I may do.

MolaKule has pointed out something that I should look a bit more closely at when analyzing my final results, and I am grateful for that; I've acknowledged his point several times and it doesn't need to be made again, by you, him, or anyone else. In the very same post you are replying to, I actively encouraged him (and anyone else who's interested) to point out any other issues I should look for, since I clearly am already aware of that particular one. I did this not only because repeating the same point over and over again after it has been acknowledged is annoying, but because it is counterproductive and holds back the conversation, preventing discussion of other points that may be just as, or more, important.

If anyone has anything else to say about antioxidants, oxidation, polymerization, or radicalization in this thread, all I ask is that it include some new information that hasn't already been discussed here. If anyone wants to point out something else I may have missed; something that hasn't already been addressed here; please, I welcome you to do so. If I just wanted to put my own thoughts out there, I'd start a blog; I'm here for debate, I'm here to learn, and I'me here to hopefully teach, but I also understand that repeating the same argument over and over is not debate and nobody learns anything from it.

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#3163708 - 10/22/13 12:18 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
KCJeep Offline


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Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Sadly another interesting thread derailed and ruined.


Not quite. I still have over 800 miles left before I'm ready to dump this oil; I'll likely start a new thread for the results, anyway.


Please do, lots of interested readers here.
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#3356622 - 04/29/14 10:37 AM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
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Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 5356
Loc: southeast US
Any follow up on the canola oil experiment?
Thanks!

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#3356660 - 04/29/14 11:11 AM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: friendly_jacek]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
Oh wow! I actually forgot about this thread. Yes, I do have an update; I'm at work now, so I'll have to post it later.

The short version is: the car's still on the road, nothing blew up, and Blackstone offered me a free VOA for the canola blend, which I'll take them up on when my next OC comes around. e.g. I'll be doing this again.

Sadly, I was in a hurry when I did the OC, so no VC pics.

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#3356991 - 04/29/14 05:53 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
friendly_jacek Offline


Registered: 05/04/03
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Loc: southeast US
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Blackstone offered me a free VOA for the canola blend


VOA or UOA?

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#3357057 - 04/29/14 07:15 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: friendly_jacek]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
VOA, I had a OUA done on the old oil, will post results this evening if I can find the report (it's been a while now)

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#3386000 - 06/01/14 01:30 AM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
getnpsi Offline


Registered: 10/30/07
Posts: 693
Loc: Fontana, California
Another month gone by, any updates?

I wouldn't care if my oil was slightly degraded from canola if it cut leaking by significant amount. If you are adding fresh oil because you lose tablespoons daily anyway your additive package is hanging in there.
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#3386332 - 06/01/14 02:57 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
Jaymus Offline


Registered: 05/11/07
Posts: 1245
Loc: Tennessee
Yeah, as much attention as this has drawn and we keep getting put off, lol. 6 months ago you needed 800 more miles. 5 months later, you have the results, but you are at work and will post when you have time. Another month later, you will post the results when you get home.

Post that [censored] up before I start pulling my hair out, PRETTY PLEASE! X-D

No one can judge you, you are only contributing to research. I think what you've done is awesome if you post up some proof. Cause it's starting to smell fishy, and I don't want to say that because I felt like it was all true with the way things have been worded.
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#3386697 - 06/02/14 02:54 AM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
getnpsi Offline


Registered: 10/30/07
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Loc: Fontana, California
I am not going to make my own thread because im doing the same thing pretty much with my own take on it.

I'm going to start topping off with dino delvac 15w-40 + canola blend for the last 1500 of my OCI, the method I use with MMO. Then on drain I'm going to fill the crankcase with about 75% canola and idle the warm engine that has cooled a few hours. I will then add a fresh change of just motor oil. Residual canola will be present but not significant.

This is a 1988 carbed mazda b2200 that ticks for 2-3 miles on startup and leaks a lot from a bad rear seal. As i said in above post if it drops ONE drop less overnight makes it thru summer with no breakdowns then it's a success to me.
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#3387740 - 06/03/14 10:28 AM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: Jaymus]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
Haha! Keep your hair on your head! Life just decided to get busy for me is all. I'm actually a hair over 1500 miles into my next OCI already (6mo later, I know -- I really don't put many miles on this car) with straight T6 so I know I'm waaaaaaaay overdue for posting the UOA from the canola test.

It's coming! At this point, I have to find the dang thing!!

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#3387742 - 06/03/14 10:30 AM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: getnpsi]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
Ooh that's ballsy. 75% might be a bit much, even at idle. That said, you should still have and additive coatings from your last OCI in there, so you might be fine. In either case, I'm not responsible for the results!!

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#3391491 - 06/07/14 02:06 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
FetchFar Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 831
Loc: Colorado
where -- is --- the ----- UOA ?????
Me not patient now, me drink coffee and beer non-stop til I see it.
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#3391718 - 06/07/14 07:46 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: FetchFar]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
Well, here we have it:


Wear metals are a bit higher than my last OCI, but not horrible; I'm attributing it to the oil having deteriorated when the car was parked for 3mo, possibly combined with my tendency to keep the RPMs high. They're not alarmingly high, considering how I drive this car.

Silicon is high most likely because I used black RTV on the VCG and didn't let it fully cure before starting the engine. That, or the Spectre filter I'm using is letting [censored] through; I guess we'll find out with my next OCI.

Viscosity was out of range at the end of 3k miles, but better than the Pennzoil Ultra from my last OCI by quite a large margin, and with a markedly higher flashpoint. It looks like the canola didn't hurt the TBN too badly, either, but I'm going to confirm that with a sample of Rotella at 3k miles (I'm running it straight currently).

I'll be running this straight Rotella for as long as I can safely do so, then repeating the canola experiment for my next OCI. Looking at this OUA, I'll probably be dumping the Rotella at 3k (or whatever it's got on it when I get that 3k UOA back). I'm just broke 1500 miles this week, so I've got a bit of driving to do yet.

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#3391741 - 06/07/14 08:10 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
KeMBro2012 Offline


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 430
Loc: California
Oops... didn't remove my email address from that one... reposting...


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#3391749 - 06/07/14 08:26 PM Re: Canola Follow-up [Re: KeMBro2012]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 26807
Loc: a prison island
As per our previous chats, I think you are doing a great experiment.

Given the VOA of the oil
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2330040

and canola

looks like you had a bit more than 25%...not that it really matters.

Did it go chocolate brown like mine did in the Caprice (Delo gold Ultra, with 1,000km of 10% canola at end of oci) ?

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