Fram Ultra- Honda Filter Comparo

[Jim Allen]

Have not yet been able to force myself to virgin autopsy these, but here are some basic visuals of the two Honda application filters.

The XG3593A is the application for many Hondas, including my '00 Accord V6.

The XG8317 fits some new Hondas and Acuras as well a a plethora of other cars.

In the Purolater P1 brand, the two crossover numbers to these, the 7317 equivalent has significantly more media. Don't think that holds true here.

My conclusion, at least until I've actually measured the amount of media in these two Frams, is that the extra media in the Puro brand may be worth the risk of straying outside the recommendation, it isn't with the Fram. This is a "do what I say, not what I do" moment because I fully intend to use the XG7317 I got on a smokin' deal. The risk comes if you were to have a filter faiure that cost you an engine. If you were using the recommended number, your odds of being able to make a claim are very good. if you had the wrong part number on the engine, could you even make it to first base? I think that would hold true with any company, Puro, Ram... whoever. brand

Both XG Ultras have the same media- rated @ 99+% @ 20um with synthetic media and are rated for 15K miles by Fram

No capacity info, but was told there is only one more gram of capacity difference between them.

And sorry about the specs. I formatted the info on a word doc and pasted it into a code box. Formatting won't hold. Tried a couple of different formats, including RTF... no go. Advice welcome.

Code:


Purolator P1 and Fram XG Ultra Specs



PL14459 XG3593A PL14610 XG7317

Efficiency 99+@20 99+@20 99+@20 99+@20

Media cel/syn syn cel/syn syn

Capacity ? g (note 1)g (note 1)g ?g (+1g over3593A)

Mfr Miles OE 15K OE 15K

Ht. 2.95” 3.39” 3.52” 3.47”

OD ? 3.02” ? 2.69”

Relief Set 12-18 12 14-22 13

Thread M20x1.5 M20x1.5 M20x1.5 M20x1.5

Burst Rating 300 ? 250 ?

Gasket ID/OD 2.25/2.49 2.13/2.42 2.25/2.49 2.22/2.42



Note 1- The XG3506 has the same media and is almost exactly the size as the XG3593A and I have determined it’s capacity is 18 grams from a spec given by motorking. I think we may safely assume both XGs are in the same range… 18-20 grams.

 

[Sayjac]

Just some comments/thoughts. Afaik and from the Fram site the Ultra as opposed to the XG, is now fully synthetic. Also, I thought that Fram used to spec the holding capacity of the XG and then the Ultra on it's site, apparently not. Don't why I thought it was in the upper 20's close the to Bosch D+'s 29g's. That said, whatever it is if Fram says it's recommended for 15k, I'm sure it's more than adequate.

Just my preference but still not enamored with the Ultra 7317 tapping plate design as compared to the 3593A's design. Nitpick, perhaps.

It is true though that the 14610/7317 vs 14459/3593A are pretty much interchangeable. In the Puro though I prefer the 14610 for it's increased media area and pleat construction over the 14459. Don't know about the Ultra's case though.

Oh, and even though the PL14610 has more media than the PL14459, the 14610 is rated at 40um vs 20um for the 14459.

Thanks for the pics and effort.

 

[scurvy]

Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
And sorry about the specs. I formatted the info on a word doc and pasted it into a code box. Formatting won't hold. Tried a couple of different formats, including RTF... no go. Advice welcome.


Forget word, you need a monospaced font plain text editor like notepad++ or Vim. I tried to clean it up a bit for you, hopefully this is more readable.

Code:
Purolator P1 and Fram XG Ultra Specs



PL14459 XG3593A PL14610 XG7317

Efficiency 99%@20 99%@20 99%@20 99%@20

Media cel/syn syn cel/syn syn

Capacity ? *1 *1 ? (+1g over3593A)

Mfr Miles OE 15K OE 15K

Ht. 2.95” 3.39” 3.52” 3.47”

OD ? 3.02” ? 2.69”

Relief Set 12-18 12 14-22 13

Thread M20x1.5 M20x1.5 M20x1.5 M20x1.5

Burst Rating 300 ? 250 ?

Gasket ID/OD 2.25/2.49 2.13/2.42 2.25/2.49 2.22/2.42



*1 - The XG3506 has the same media and is almost exactly the size as the XG3593A and I have determined it’s capacity is 18

grams from a spec given by motorking. I think we may safely assume both XGs are in the same range… 18-20 grams.

 

[Artem]

My Honda dealer only has a one filter size that fits all (except the S2000) . They say it works on all Hondas from 1988+.

I use the same filter from my 2007 Civic and reuse that filter in a 94 Accord with no issues whatsoever.

 

[BearZDefect]

Thank you for the helpful comparison.

I am not afraid to use these two sizes interchangeably.

I think the XG is the one Fram with BITOG majority stamp of approval.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
My Honda dealer only has a one filter size that fits all (except the S2000) . They say it works on all Hondas from 1988+....

Yes, and my guess would be it's newer spec (since 01) the 14610/7317 equivalent. Still some prefer the larger diameter, larger volume 14459 size spec'd on pre 01 Hondas.

However, the larger diameter filter will no longer fit because of interference on the latest gen Accords and perhaps other Honda models now.

 

[Texan4Life]

Nice comparison.... I couldn't bring myself to cut open two new ultra's either

 

[MinamiKotaro]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Still some prefer the larger diameter, larger volume 14459 size spec'd on pre 01 Hondas.


A 14610 has ~10 sq.in. more filter area than a 14459, also better efficiency numbers (97% @ 20 microns vs. @ 40 microns). Gasket size is the same. The only reason you should use a 14459 is if the 14610 is too long to fit.

 

[Sayjac]

^^^^^While it is true the 14610 has more media area than the 14459 as I pointed out above the PL/L14610 is rated at 40um while the PL/L14459 at 20um. Your post has the micron level reversed.

 

[Jim Allen]

Scurvy: Thanks for the tip and for the cleanup!

And by the way, if anyone can fill the the blanks on the spec sheet, by all means...

As to capacity, it's going to vary according to the size of the filter and will largely be application specific. The specific media used will also have a capacity rating per square inch of media, so if you have that and the square inches of media, you could figure it out.

I can reverse engineer this, however. I found out the Ultra XG2 for my F150 has 30 grams capacity. I have one of those autopsied and determined that is has approximately 140.2 square inches of media, so that gives me about 4.67g per square inch of media.

I also found the number for the aforementioned XG3506 (a GM app) was 18 grams but it and both these Honda filters are considerably smaller in every respect than the XG2, so 18-20 grams seems like a very good number for a filter as small as these.

BTW, I wouldn't trade 10 inches of media for a 100 percent loss of efficiency.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Still some prefer the larger diameter, larger volume 14459 size spec'd on pre 01 Hondas.


A 14610 has ~10 sq.in. more filter area than a 14459, also better efficiency numbers (97% @ 20 microns vs. @ 40 microns). Gasket size is the same. The only reason you should use a 14459 is if the 14610 is too long to fit.


Actually, the 14610 has ~20 sq-in more media area than the 14459.

14610 = ~105 sq-in
14459 = ~85 sq-in

 

[ZeeOSix]

You can get the missing OD dimensions for the Purolators from here:

PL14610
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL14610

PL14459
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL14459

The bypass valve setting numbers are also shown differently on Purolator's website.

 

[MinamiKotaro]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
^^^^^While it is true the 14610 has more media area than the 14459 as I pointed out above the PL/L14610 is rated at 40um while the PL/L14459 at 20um. Your post has the micron level reversed.


I stand corrected.

 

[Jim Allen]

ZeeOSix: Thanks. I printed out my Puro specs from the Puro site a coupla months ago... I'm looking at them now... and they are somewhat different than the one you referenced. How odd.

 

[David1]

YES YES,

I was just looking at the same oil filter at Wally world today and it reminded me of the 15400 PLM A02 , then I took the 3593A and I noticed the filter had tiny holes. However the Tough Guard 7317 has the same * Stamp End * exactly as the Honda Genuine Filter, and has Silicon ADBV , however the Honda filter gasket is rounded and built into the filter. However the Fram Tough Guard has a screen over the Bypass Valve and the Honda 15400 PLM A02 dont...

However they are very very similar.... I think this Tough Guard is better then the 3593A b/c the Holes are much bigger and its much closer or near to the exact to Honda specs.

Im happy somone elsed noticed this also... Ussually I use Honda Oil Filter 15400 PLM A1 back when they had em and now the 02 or Napa or Bosch 3312 Premium FILTECH Oil Filter Brand.

However I think Im going to go to the FRAM XG 7317 from now on.

Very good post there buddy

THUMBS UP

Glad I found it.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: David1
.....However the Fram Tough Guard has a screen over the Bypass Valve and the Honda 15400 PLM A02 dont...

The Fram TG screen over bypass feature was discontinued several years ago. Some TG dissections here and now the Fram site confirm that it's now exactly the same as all other Frams like the orange can and HM, no screen over bypass.

The biggest difference however between either TG or XG when compared to the Honda A-02, is the Fram TG and XG are both rated 99%>20um. Otoh the Honda A-02 has ISO tested ~65%@20um, relatively inefficient to put it kindly. As far as filter efficiency goes, either XG or TG is the superior choice.

And beyond aesthetics inlet hole size is really insignificant. As an example the new Wix/Napa Gold 5/7356 for Hondas now has smaller inlet holes than the 1356 it replaces.

 

[SOHCman]

Sorry to bring this thread back, but has anything changed as far as capacity and the like.

I am looking for the best Fram Ultra for my 90's accord for extended OCI. It has plenty of space to run even the big fat S2000 filters they used to make.

Thanks!