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#3239372 - 01/06/14 12:11 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
javacontour Offline


Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 9140
Loc: Illinois
Fair is such an ill defined term. That's why I simply suggest equal percentages.

If the taxman takes the same relative size cut from everyone, I see that as far more "fair" than taking differing percentages from different folks.

But the guy making poverty wages, not paying any taxes probably doesn't want this.

Neither does the guy who has dividend income, paying no payroll taxes and few if any income taxes.
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#3258633 - 01/24/14 12:48 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: shovel]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 5509
Loc: Upper Midwest
Exactly how are you "modifying as needed to provide adequate fuel flow"?

Originally Posted By: shovel
I burn E85 in my not-factory-"flex" vehicle whenever possible. Have done so with every vehicle I've owned since E85 became available; modifying as needed to provide adequate fuel flow.

Have fun hatin', haters. B)
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#3259772 - 01/25/14 03:44 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
datech Offline


Registered: 01/14/14
Posts: 689
Loc: us
I stopped at a station that sells a variety of FLEX-FUEL, E-10, 15, 20, 30, and 85. The pump selector indicator I used was blank... I guess the electronic display wasn't working. I didn't realize this station was selling all of these fuel grades until I had pumped in about $15. I stopped there and later I went to the web site for this company to find out about I had put into my car.

They had links that claim fuel economy goes UP with ethanol blends between 20 and 30% ethanol.

I don't know exactly what to believe. I think ethanol helps cool a engine and boosts octane and is safer than MTFB and it definitely props up the price of corn.

I think we should be able to use 100% gas, too, while the EPA is pushing us all into using E-10 all the time whether we like it or not.


Here's the link to the web site I was talking about:


http://www.zarcousa.com/americanfuels/

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#3259996 - 01/25/14 07:30 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 584
Loc: Murray KY USA
If you can live with lower MPG ethanol is OK for Flex labeled engines.

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#3260972 - 01/26/14 08:32 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 2365
Loc: Central Iowa
I can live with lower mpg using E85, because the actual cost per mile is also lower, by about 3 cents a mile less compared to E10 and regular even with their better mpg results. But that is my area of the country. After all, I am surrounded by over 40 ethanol plants and something like 15 biodiesel plants. We are swimming in the stuff, so the price is very good to use E85. Getting ready to pull the trigger on a custom tune for the ECM to fully take advantage of the E85, since that is what I primarily use. Should tighten the spread on mpg numbers between E85 and gasoline.

I am fully behind that people should have the choice to use what they wish in their vehicles. This mandate stuff has gone overboard. I may benefit, but others may not. let the market sort it out and let consumers buy what they wish for motor fuel. I don't care if their decision is based on internet stories about ethanol ruining engines or some other reason. It really doesn't matter. Just let folks buy what they choose, based on what they prefer, what they want to spend their money on, what gives them the best value, what makes them sleep well at night. Simple. Government meddling always messes things up for a lot of folks.
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#3261232 - 01/27/14 05:48 AM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 17511
Loc: Sunny Florida
That last line is a gem.


Centralized planning is why we have STATES.
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#3263543 - 01/29/14 08:55 AM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 2365
Loc: Central Iowa
Do we have states? I thought they were nothing more than territories anymore. After all, while there is the appearance of statehood, if one looks closely, they can see the puppet strings leading to D.C. The 10th Ammendment is all but a complete joke. But that makes sense. The Constitution is really nothing more to idealize than a used kotex to a wide amount of politicians and citizens. This is why you occasionally hear calls for a Consitutional Convention to throw out the old one and start again.
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#3263956 - 01/29/14 03:24 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 17511
Loc: Sunny Florida
We certainly don't need a new Constitution IMO.

Just need to pay attention to the one we have!
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#3265073 - 01/30/14 05:06 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: SteveSRT8]
turtlevette Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
Posts: 2757
Loc: Massachusetts
Simple solution for you guys complaining about the EPA. Move to China. They have no such restrictive rules and regs there.

Personally I like breathing clean air.
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#3265566 - 01/31/14 06:16 AM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: turtlevette]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 33184
Loc: Oz
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Simple solution for you guys complaining about the EPA. Move to China. They have no such restrictive rules and regs there.

Personally I like breathing clean air.


Got any proof that they have a lack of regulation on pollution ?

They are building awfully clean power stations at a prodigious rate for a country with no controls.

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#3265570 - 01/31/14 06:25 AM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 2365
Loc: Central Iowa
They might be now, but remember when they had the summer olympics not all that long ago? They had to shut down factories and power plants to have enough clean air for the athletes. Even the commies realize once in a while they have to do something to clean up their act. I think the olympics gave them a wake up call that they needed to start doing a little better.
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#3265575 - 01/31/14 06:33 AM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Grebbler]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 33184
Loc: Oz
No, not "are there any smoggy days in LA these days ?", but is there proof that there is no environmental regulation in China.

That was the assertion...

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#3266398 - 01/31/14 11:01 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Shannow]
turtlevette Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
Posts: 2757
Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Simple solution for you guys complaining about the EPA. Move to China. They have no such restrictive rules and regs there.

Personally I like breathing clean air.


Got any proof that they have a lack of regulation on pollution ?

They are building awfully clean power stations at a prodigious rate for a country with no controls.


I'll leave it to you to prove me wrong. But none of this belongs in the thread. It should be a technical discussion on the performance of E85 but anytime ethanol is mentioned it turns into a political discussion. Why?

Its got oil men scared to death. That's why.
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#3266426 - 01/31/14 11:56 PM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: turtlevette]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 33184
Loc: Oz
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
I'll leave it to you to prove me wrong. But none of this belongs in the thread. It should be a technical discussion on the performance of E85 but anytime ethanol is mentioned it turns into a political discussion. Why?


Because YOU brought the EPA and China into the thread...why did you do that ?

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#3266428 - 02/01/14 12:07 AM Re: E-85. I think I'm a convert. [Re: Shannow]
TrevorS Offline


Registered: 07/14/13
Posts: 1281
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Simple solution for you guys complaining about the EPA. Move to China. They have no such restrictive rules and regs there.

Personally I like breathing clean air.


Got any proof that they have a lack of regulation on pollution ?

They are building awfully clean power stations at a prodigious rate for a country with no controls.


China has gone green but that's because their pollution problem is increasing. They had no choice.

Fortunately for them, the government can easily implement the change in direction.

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