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#3012693 - 05/24/13 10:23 PM 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
First sample I have ever had done. Thought I would share. This is the second oil change for the truck. Oil used is Valvoline Premium Blue 15W/40

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#3012702 - 05/24/13 10:45 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
LargeCarManX2 Offline


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Excellent, bump her OCI up to 7.5K and resample.
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#3012789 - 05/25/13 06:21 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
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Loc: Upstate NY
I usually wait until an OCI that starts after 20K to do a UOA. Before then it could be anything.

I prefer UOAs that provide oxidation and nitration.

Thanks for sharing.
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#3013972 - 05/26/13 01:53 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
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There is nothing but break-in wear here; this is not data that can be used to establish any range or trend.

On the positive side, contaminants look well in control.

I would OCI at 10k miles and again at 15k miles. The goal would be to flush out the break-in metals. Don't even both with a UOA for these next few OCIs; waste of money.

Stick with the VPB; excellent product and reduces variables for future UOA trending.

At 15k miles, start doing 7.5k mile OCIs, and then start your UOA data tracking.
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#3013975 - 05/26/13 01:56 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
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Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Thanks for the advice guys!
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#3080149 - 07/29/13 05:58 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


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Here is the run with the premium blue extreme 5w40 6000 miles.

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#3080491 - 07/30/13 06:13 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
skyactiv Offline


Registered: 03/02/13
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Loc: The Midwest
I'm a journeyman diesel mechanic at UPS. The yard shifter trucks use a de-tuned version of the 5.9 or 6.7 Cummings depending on the year. Those engines can last seemingly forever. Keep in mind if you ever have a fuel system issue, don't drive it and get it fixed. Cylinder wash down is the only thing that has ruined these engines in our industrial application.

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#3080607 - 07/30/13 09:01 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: skyactiv]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
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Loc: Texas, good old USofA
That's great to hear. My main concern with the 6.7 cummins was possible fuel dillution. From the regen process. But I think with my driving routine it's not going to be an issue (knock on wood).
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#3169181 - 10/27/13 10:12 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
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Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Here is the latest on the vpbe. Used up what I had I have delo 400 le 15w40 in the truck now. 11.50 a gallon is nicer than. 26.00 a gallon.

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#3169330 - 10/27/13 02:24 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 337
Loc: upstate NY
Thanks for sharing your reports!

I've never tested any of my diesels that low in mileage so I don't know if that aluminum number is normal at that stage or not (referring to the latest report). It looks like the engine is coming along nicely, though.

I don't blame you for saving money with delo 400. It'll do very well for you.
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#3170368 - 10/28/13 03:25 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: dustyroads]
jayg Offline


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Loc: Acworth, GA
Originally Posted By: dustyroads
I don't blame you for saving money with delo 400. It'll do very well for you.


x2
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#3170449 - 10/28/13 04:59 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Yeah that's the plan. Trying to get off the synthetic kick. It was real popular when I first started buying vehicles. Got drawed into it and just now trying to not waste money. hooked
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2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins 68rfe auto trans.
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#3230742 - 12/29/13 10:15 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
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Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Here is a short run of the delo. Went ahead and changed early. Recently made some modifications on the truck. So I wanted to drain this and see how the next one looks. Also put a fumoto valve on this time so maybe my sample taking will be a cleaner experience smile

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#3231098 - 12/29/13 04:40 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
dustyroads Offline


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Loc: upstate NY
I'm a bit worried about that aluminum number. It's not coming down as the engine is breaking in, although 21k is nowhere near "broke in". I've never watched a diesel breaking in as you are showing, so maybe there's nothing wrong.

With the increased aluminum in this last short interval it just seems that something is wrong, but I have a lot to learn.
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#3231100 - 12/29/13 04:43 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Yeah I guess I'll see how it goes on the next one. I did have more idle time (cold mornings) and short distance drives during this interval.
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#3281009 - 02/13/14 05:35 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Valvoline premium blue did a sample 3,000 didn't drain oil. Curiosity got the best of me the reason for the early sample.

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2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins 68rfe auto trans.
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#3282281 - 02/14/14 06:09 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
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Loc: upstate NY
I know it's only 3,000 miles but I think it's looking good. The aluminum was concerning in your previous reports but I'm thinking it's going to be just fine from here on out.

This is just plain ol' premium blue? Looks like your Cummins may really like it. Cummins and Valvoline do collaberate so I guess it makes sense.

Any idea how many miles for the universal averages?
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#3282359 - 02/14/14 07:37 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: dustyroads]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Originally Posted By: dustyroads
I know it's only 3,000 miles but I think it's looking good. The aluminum was concerning in your previous reports but I'm thinking it's going to be just fine from here on out.

This is just plain ol' premium blue? Looks like your Cummins may really like it. Cummins and Valvoline do collaberate so I guess it makes sense.

Any idea how many miles for the universal averages?


They said universal is 6,300 miles.
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#3288574 - 02/20/14 03:20 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
A_Harman Offline


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Loc: Michigan
Let me guess; the oil samples at 12450 and 18069 miles were on Delo, and the rest were on VPB?

With every oil change, the iron has been trending down in terms of ppm per 1000 miles. I think your engine is still in the process of breaking in.

It's interesting to see Titanium in VPB.
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#3288827 - 02/20/14 07:30 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: A_Harman]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Let me guess; the oil samples at 12450 and 18069 miles were on Delo, and the rest were on VPB?

With every oil change, the iron has been trending down in terms of ppm per 1000 miles. I think your engine is still in the process of breaking in.

It's interesting to see Titanium in VPB.


Those oci were vpb 5w/40. I guess they only add the titanium to the 15w/40. Both the uoa with it had the titanium.
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#3289226 - 02/21/14 07:39 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
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Loc: Michigan
Wow. I'm surprised to see such different additive packages in two oils that are both called "Premium Blue".

And then the oil sample at 21718 miles was Delo?


Edited by A_Harman (02/21/14 07:42 AM)
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#3289267 - 02/21/14 08:33 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: A_Harman]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Wow. I'm surprised to see such different additive packages in two oils that are both called "Premium Blue".

And then the oil sample at 21718 miles was Delo?


Yes that was the only one done with delo.
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2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins 68rfe auto trans.
Valvoline premium blue or Delo 400le 15w40 and fleetguard stratapore filters.

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#3327756 - 03/29/14 09:45 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Valvoline Premium Blue 15W/40. I did change at this interval.

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#3328475 - 03/30/14 07:10 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
dnewton3 Offline



Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 5717
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
Not really sure what's driving your OCI decision, but you could get a lot more value out of the lube ... This fluid was changed way too early.
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#3328770 - 03/31/14 05:00 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: dnewton3]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 39
Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Not really sure what's driving your OCI decision, but you could get a lot more value out of the lube ... This fluid was changed way too early.


Yeah I should of just sampled and kept going. I didn't have much going on that day so I decided to change the oil and fuel filters. Having that valve now just makes it a lot nicer and easier to change the oil.
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#3450643 - 08/09/14 02:39 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
Artem Offline


Registered: 10/30/10
Posts: 4428
Loc: Florida
I purchased a new 2014 Ram 3500 HD with the Aisin tranny and couldn't decide what oil to use, so this thread has pointed me towards Valvoline as a good choice but first I want to see how Shell's Rotella will handle the Cummins block. It's easy to get an is always available at rollback prices from Wally World.

Thanks OP. I say you start extending your oil change intervals a bit further. You're definitely dumping it too early. My manual says to change every 15k miles!!!
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#3450914 - 08/09/14 08:51 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
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Rotella is an excellent choice for the Cummins.

T3 15W-40 is perfect in sunny FL.

You should get 800,000 miles out of that engine/tranmission combination.

My 2013 manual says 15,000 miles, every 6 months, or when the light comes on.
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#3455753 - 08/14/14 07:38 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: SilverC6]
Artem Offline


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Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Rotella is an excellent choice for the Cummins.

T3 15W-40 is perfect in sunny FL.

You should get 800,000 miles out of that engine/tranmission combination.

My 2013 manual says 15,000 miles, every 6 months, or when the light comes on.


800k with what type of driving? Mine will be used exclusively for work and will constantly be towing 10-25,000 pounds of... Whatever.

I hope to get a million outta the power unit before a serious rebuild is needed, so we'll see how she holds up.
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#3458329 - 08/17/14 10:37 PM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: Artem]
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Originally Posted By: Artem


I hope to get a million outta the power unit before a serious rebuild is needed, so we'll see how she holds up.



I'm with you.

Let's shoot for 1,000,000 miles.
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#3460154 - 08/20/14 10:25 AM Re: 2012 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins [Re: hollnagelc]
hollnagelc Offline


Registered: 04/06/13
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Loc: Texas, good old USofA
Count me in on the million mile challenge smile. It'll take me forever to get there though lol. Only avg about 30,000 miles a year.

I know of a guy with over 570,000 on a 2011. And still going.
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