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#3433123 - 07/23/14 09:31 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
123Saab Offline


Registered: 10/27/10
Posts: 1347
Loc: PA
On our 2008 Jeep Liberty:

About 4k in now with Ceratec.

The Chrysler 3.7l has never sounded so quiet.

Wife claims maybe a few more miles per gallon, Who knows?

Startup noise is down too, And overall the Engine feels smoother.

I think it was worth it so far.
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#3435945 - 07/26/14 12:10 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 386
Loc: Murray KY USA
We do notice the 150K mile 2000 Ford 4.6L is more quiet after 5K miles with Ceratec but think the Moly used after the prior oil change may have helped MPG more than Ceratec.

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#3436182 - 07/26/14 10:35 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: GaleHawkins]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
Posts: 1714
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
....the Moly used after the prior oil change may have helped MPG more than Ceratec.

+1

My experience as well with a dozen vehicles over the years.

* Cera Tec seems to be best at extending the longevity of the engine with a more permanent bonding of metal surfaces.

* Moly (MoS2) is an outstanding friction reducer that enhances MPG due to slipperier surfaces between metal parts.

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#3445204 - 08/03/14 10:44 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: 147_Grain]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 386
Loc: Murray KY USA
Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
....the Moly used after the prior oil change may have helped MPG more than Ceratec.

+1

My experience as well with a dozen vehicles over the years.

* Cera Tec seems to be best at extending the longevity of the engine with a more permanent bonding of metal surfaces.

* Moly (MoS2) is an outstanding friction reducer that enhances MPG due to slipperier surfaces between metal parts.


After having ran the MoS2 for 5K miles we changed oil and after about 100 miles added the Ceratec and started checking MPH on our 3500 mile.6.5 day trip to Canada. We hit 25.5 for the first three tanks and under very similar conditions we were down to 23.5 on the last three tanks. It was several years ago the last time I personally drove the car on a trip and it would hit about 22 MPH say 50K miles earlier. We have a road trip to MD (east coast) next month and should have the Ceratec out by then and I will plan to check with MoS2 after running Ceratec. If the MPG gets back up to 25.5 that would support MoS2 helps MPG more than Ceratec.

Currently I am thinking a name brand Dino plus a can of MoS2 is better than the most expensive Synthetic motor oil on the market for best engine life and highest MPG.

It was used in WWII piston aircraft engines to reduce friction for a short while even after total oil loss for a good reason.

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#3445696 - 08/04/14 01:57 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
vintageant Offline


Registered: 10/27/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Florida, USA
Thanks, GaleHawkins!

This is very interesting! After a bad UOA, I used MoS2 for the first time in the Beetle for about 1,000 miles, but unfortunately either USPS or Blackstone lost that sample. I am much more concerned about engine protection and wear than good MPG. I am about to use Ceratec with Rotella 15W40 HDEO, which is a recommended oil for older air-cooled engines.
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#3446930 - 08/05/14 04:18 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 1047
Loc: n.c.
I've finally reached 3,000 miles on the LM Ceratec I added to my 95 Harley Electra Glide 2 months ago. I'm leaning towards using Valvoline Vr1 dino 20w50 as I have read on this and some Harley forums to use dino in the evolution engines because they tend to leak oil using synthetics...IDK. Anyway, I'll be adding the mos2 to the next oil change and plan on changing the oil every 5k miles.

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#3447926 - 08/06/14 01:53 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 386
Loc: Murray KY USA
gman2304 are you going to run the Ceratec ot the 5K mark before you change?

I have decided to run the 4.6L to 5K just to make sure all that will coat the wear points will do so to the max but I do not know when the max point is.

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#3448403 - 08/06/14 09:36 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 1047
Loc: n.c.
GaleHawkins, I first thought I might run it to 5k but the bike is new to me and the ceratec bottle said to run it 3k so I'm thinking it is probably coated pretty well by now. I want to establish a baseline so I'll know exactly what's what when I get the transmission and primary oil changed as well. You might get some additional benefit from going to 5k...IDK. I also have the LM Ceratec in my 05 Chevy Avalanche and I might go as far as following the OLM on it....again...IDK yet.

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#3448434 - 08/06/14 10:10 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 386
Loc: Murray KY USA
I think another brand that drove a car without oil for a couple hundred miles did the drain after 3000 miles their ceramic additive was added so I guess perhaps max benefit ends at some point per the Youtube marketing video. Keep us posted.

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#3448820 - 08/07/14 12:32 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
Vikas Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 8733
Loc: NorthEast
Were you the person who mentioned "1 million revolutions"? Mind us telling why you chose that metrics? I am disappointed at myself for not catching this earlier but better late than never :-)

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#3449025 - 08/07/14 04:14 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 1047
Loc: n.c.
Vikas, I don't remember seeing the 1 million revolutions statement you're asking about. It wouldn't take too long though to reach that number. An engine turning at 2,000 rpm's at say 65 mph would turn 120,000 rpm's in an hour, so it would take less than 9 hours to turn 1 million rpm's. The instructions on the LM Ceratec bottle said to run it 3,000 miles....IIRC, which would be far more than 1 million RPM's.

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#3449268 - 08/07/14 09:17 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 386
Loc: Murray KY USA
On the run to St. Louis MO today in the 153K mile 2000 Towncar we hit MPG with the Ceratec that ranged from 23.5 to 26.5. While not much in the way of hard facts I do think Ceratec may improve MPG as much as MoS2. We will plan to do more gathering of data on our trip to MD next month. The best way to get 2 more MPG so far has been to cut forward motion by 15 MPH. smile It is amazing how much less gas it takes to go 55 than 70. One wild card is at 3500 miles of running the Ceratec (normal) we had to add a quart and we used Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-40 which contains Moly from Mobil and I think is perhaps the best of all motor oils on can run in an older engine. It is slick and we have started using it as cutting oil when sawing steel with the Sawsall and drilling steel. It makes blades last much longer and keeps them from turning blue from heat. Tue evening we sawed the remains of an 8' 1300 Tommy Lift Gate off the rear off the tail of our 16' dump bed and only used 4 blades.

On our test Ceratex engine that we ran for 1,000,000 RPM's the metrics were simple. My butt got tired of being out in the cold listening the the 325 Polaris 4-stoke do a fast idle for 11 hours over two days. smile

As you read we bought it from a guy that blew an oil cooler line running down the highway (40 MPH is max on that machine stock) until it was knocking loud enough for him to hear it. The rod bearing inserts were worn paper thin and the crank shaft was really chewed up and the connecting rod was scrap metal and totally black on the lower end. The rest of the engine parts still mic'ed in tolerance and were reused for the 11 hours of fast idle testing. I covered the results when I posted it last Jan. We did pick up a tight used bottom end but due to distractions of life when it got warmer we did not rebuild the engine so now we hoping to get on it when it gets too wet to work outside. With the old back hoe we have cleared an acre of small trees for another parking lot at church and I still have to put that on grade and haul the gravel from a pit two miles up the road.

Back to Ceratec we plan to run it in both of the 325cc Polaris ATV's just to increase the odds of not trashing an engine use to total lost of motor oil. We will be using the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-40 in all of our air cooled engines going forward and other gas engines that we change ourselves. If Ceratec is not in the crankcase then I expect MoS2 will be or Archoil AR9100.

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#3449912 - 08/08/14 03:15 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 1047
Loc: n.c.
I just finished changing the oil 'with the LM Ceratec in it' in my Harley. 3 qts 24 0zs of Valvoline Vr1 20w50 and added 8 ozs of MoS2 to make 4 qts which is the oil capacity of my bike. I'll have to get used to the oil being black looking just after a fresh oil change...LOL! My plan is to run it 5,000 miles between changes. I'm curious about the mpg's but my main reason for using the LM Ceratec and MOS2 is hopefully for longevity. I got 51 mpg on my last fill up and will report back on my mpg's at my next few fill ups.

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#3450840 - 08/09/14 07:16 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 386
Loc: Murray KY USA
I agree black is hard to adjust to in fresh oil change. smile Plan to do the same in the 4.6L engine now running the Ceratec.

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#3450868 - 08/09/14 07:53 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 8457
Loc: Saskatoon canada
My Harley ran cooler with mos2 in the sump and every little bit helps with an air cooled engine.
My habit is now to flush any new to me engines. Once I'm satisfied the innards are clean I use a long drain oil,old ultra since I've got a stockpile and run it with ceratec for as long as humanly possible,then mos2 every subsequent oil change.
I'm not an idiot. And work hard for my money. I'm also open minded. If I use a product and it does nothing then I don't buy it again. Simple.
Cera-tec and mos2 have consistently proven fuel economy benefits in every v-8 I've used them in and based on data I've acquired with an IR gun they lower operating temps which in turn lowers oil temps.
I'm not trying to sell the stuff or convince anyone to use it. I'm merely sharing my experiences with a product.

I've used many different additives over the years. From slick 50 to duralube and everything in between. All of them were only purchased once because they did nothing to help fuel economy. Even used zmax with amsoil and nothing changed.
Yes today's oils are very well formulated and perhaps they are fine just the way they are however I've proven time and time again that an 8 dollar can of mos2 saves me hundreds in fuel every oci.
I proved it with my charger when I tested it last year. I proved it with my 99 silverado,which gained 150km per tank in comparison to before using the additive.
I have integrity and my word is my bond and the measure of a man. I wouldn't say the stuff worked if it didn't. That would make me a liar and mean my word meaningless,which as a man is unacceptable.
In the end I don't care if anyone uses the stuff. Don't if it makes you uncomfortable because in the end today's oils are very good. But for me I want that extra little bit more.
If mos2 didn't save me fuel I wouldn't use it. I'm not in the habit of burning money and if there was no return I wouldn't buy it.
My 16 air compressors and 7 generators get 1/4 can of mos2 every second oil change.
I've got 2 compressors with very high hours. By my count the oldest has a nominal 15000 hours on a Honda 5.5 160cc engine and the second oldest has a nominal 12000 hours on it.
My service guy says they are rated for 5000 hours before requiring rebuild. Mine have had nothing but oil changes and a frankenbrew fuel additive of my own design.
These 2 compressors run 10 hours a day,6 days a week and have never required so much as a gasket replacement.
When I change the plugs they are clean,so that kinda flies in the face of arco who swears that mos2 will leave deposits.

Oh. I almost forgot. I was asked to look at the plugs in my charger which used both mos2 and has had ceratec.
After 35000 miles with either one of these products in the oil or the other when I checked 4 plugs yesterday the plugs had no deposits whatsoever. None.
Car now has 85000 miles on it.
So I'm satisfied,even if others aren't. I'm not trying to change anyone's minds,I'm just sharing my experiences.
And yes if I found that the results were negative I would share them with the forum to potentially save another member from harm.
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