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#2948029 - 03/22/13 05:11 PM Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic
Darren270 Offline


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A friend of mine gave me 6 quarts of this stuff in 10W-30 (said he didn't need it. Didn't ask him why). Anyway, I'm about due for an oil change on my 97 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9L V8 and I considered using this stuff rather than just letting it go to waste. I know its SL rated with a high zinc content and some people fear it will "ruin" their catalytic converters. I'm not worried about that. I was just curious what the add pack is like. Obviously this isn't made to clean up sludge as some oils are marketed, but is the add pack more akin to something like VWB? What kind of OCI would be appropriate for this oil? I asked on another forum and someone mentioned not going past 1000 miles which seems a little silly.


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#2948033 - 03/22/13 05:15 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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What weight? I don't think I would run it straight, but you could use 1qt per oil change and not hurt anything.
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#2948039 - 03/22/13 05:20 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
Darren270 Offline


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Quote:
What weight? I don't think I would run it straight, but you could use 1qt per oil change and not hurt anything.


Oops! I'm sorry. I dont know how I forgot to mention that. It's 10W-30.

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#2948056 - 03/22/13 05:42 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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It's SynPower with more zinc and a blue dye. Other than that, it's identical. There have been several UOAs with it.
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#2948063 - 03/22/13 05:51 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: tinmanSC]
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Originally Posted By: tinmanSC
It's SynPower with more zinc and a blue dye. Other than that, it's identical. There have been several UOAs with it.

I know, replying to my own post, faux pas.

Seems Valvoline's site lists the specs as different. Regular 10w-30 synpower is a bit thinner and has a higher VI than VR1. But it is quite similar.
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#2948069 - 03/22/13 05:55 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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I wouldn't run it in the winter but in the summer it would be okay for a for a normal OCI.
Or you could use it blended with some SynPower 5W-30. This way you're just boosting the ZDDP level somewhat.
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#2948076 - 03/22/13 06:05 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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Dump it all in, a lot of people run 10w30 in their trucks all winter and never complain about them dying early from cold start wear, it's warming up outside anyway.

Maybe try to find a friend with a high performance vehicle and have him buy you 6qts of something you feel comfortable using as a trade.


Edited by Brenden (03/22/13 06:13 PM)
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#2948215 - 03/22/13 08:29 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
ABerns Offline


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Some racing oils don't have the detergents and additives needed for long life, right? They are meant to be run in race engines for a few races and then dumped?

That being said, I don't think VR1 is one of those oils...

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#2948316 - 03/22/13 09:39 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
fdcg27 Offline


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This oil really is just Synpower dyed a very pretty shade of blue with a little extra ZDDP, making it an API SL oil.
Cats were in use long before API SL, so I wouldn't fear any harm.
The six quarts may have come from the FAR offer Valvoline had on this oil a couple of springs ago.
I took advantage of it and ran one 5K change of this oil in the Forester and used the remaining quart as top up in the BMW.
This is a perfectly serviceable oil for free.
Use it.
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#2948317 - 03/22/13 09:39 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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I wold run it without thinking twice. Its funny anyone would worry about running a 10-30 in the winter unless it being in the frozen tundra.

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#2948345 - 03/22/13 10:04 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
Garak Offline


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Just run it as it is. VR1 Synthetic is not a low detergent racing oil, so 1000 miles would be silly. As you pointed out, it's SL, which was the standard in place at the time for your vehicle. If it were me, I'd use it as is without hesitation.

As Caterham points out, a 5w-30 is preferable in the winter, but it is spring (I think it is, anyhow), so go for it.
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#2948984 - 03/23/13 03:54 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
Darren270 Offline


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Thanks for the replies everyone. I decided to just use it all on my next oil change in about 400 miles. I normally run 10W-30 in the winter so that isn't a problem. It gets cold here, but seldom drops to single digits and rarely drops below freezing.

Btw, that "sapphire blue" color sure is neat looking! grin

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#2949023 - 03/23/13 04:51 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
285south Offline


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The older generation (1998) of Valvoline Ricing Oil was not "blue." Use it for 5,000, my car did and I couldn't tell the difference than the white bottles.

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#3394445 - 06/10/14 11:07 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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Reviving this thread because I have a case of it sitting around from the rebate deal a while back.
After all my researching, it's all mixed answers...
I called Valvoline and asked them if I can use it in my Cayenne and they said no. It will destroy the catalytic converters. Is this true?

Should I run it straight, blended with other stuff or not at all?
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#3394495 - 06/11/14 02:10 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: gtmaster303]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: gtmaster303
I called Valvoline and asked them if I can use it in my Cayenne and they said no. It will destroy the catalytic converters. Is this true?

One fill of VR1 isn't going to destroy anyone's cats, no matter how much oil the thing burns. I'd avoid it for the Cayenne because it's not an approved lube or even a reasonable facsimile thereof.
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#3394783 - 06/11/14 12:06 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
BillyTheKid Offline


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Sell the oil to me rather than use it LOL

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#3395621 - 06/12/14 12:16 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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VR1 synthetic has no more zddp than other oils on the Porsche approved list, so it won't destroy your cats. But you should only run an oil that Porsche approves for that engine. Does a Cayenne require the A40 approval for oil?
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#3398086 - 06/15/14 10:35 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Garak]
gtmaster303 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: gtmaster303
I called Valvoline and asked them if I can use it in my Cayenne and they said no. It will destroy the catalytic converters. Is this true?

One fill of VR1 isn't going to destroy anyone's cats, no matter how much oil the thing burns. I'd avoid it for the Cayenne because it's not an approved lube or even a reasonable facsimile thereof.


What do you mean by not a reasonable facsimile? I know it's not an approved oil but you're telling me it's not suitable to run for 10k like the Mobil 1 I've been running? It's a full synthetic race oil, so if anything I thought it would be better...
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#3398302 - 06/15/14 05:04 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: gtmaster303]
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Well, there are a few issues. I wouldn't worry about the phosphorous levels, really. What's the HTHS of this oil? I bet it's not 3.5 or above, as specified. That's the real issue that I was getting at - certain HDEOs would be a more "reasonable facsimile" of an approved lube than VR1. VR1's TBN is sufficient for moderate OCIs, but it's not an extended drain lube like the approved lubes are. Personally, from the list of your vehicle, if I were to use the VR1, I'd try it in the Jaguar.

Be careful of dedicated racing oils. VR1 is a bit different, but there are some with very low TBNs that aren't suitable for long OCIs, and some of them have ZDDP levels that are way too high.
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#3398385 - 06/15/14 07:19 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
VR1 is a bit different, but there are some with very low TBNs that aren't suitable for long OCIs.


Yes.

Case in point; the Motul 300V Nismo 0W-30 states right in the PDS that it is only good for ~1700 mile OCIs. For an almost $40.00/liter oil! YIKES!!! crzy
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#3410424 - 06/29/14 09:54 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: A_Harman]
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
VR1 synthetic has no more zddp than other oils on the Porsche approved list, so it won't destroy your cats. But you should only run an oil that Porsche approves for that engine. Does a Cayenne require the A40 approval for oil?

If that's the approval rating, yes. I don't know off the top what its called exactly, but that sounds familiar from when I was reading through my manual
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#3410426 - 06/29/14 09:57 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Well, there are a few issues. I wouldn't worry about the phosphorous levels, really. What's the HTHS of this oil? I bet it's not 3.5 or above, as specified. That's the real issue that I was getting at - certain HDEOs would be a more "reasonable facsimile" of an approved lube than VR1. VR1's TBN is sufficient for moderate OCIs, but it's not an extended drain lube like the approved lubes are. Personally, from the list of your vehicle, if I were to use the VR1, I'd try it in the Jaguar.

Be careful of dedicated racing oils. VR1 is a bit different, but there are some with very low TBNs that aren't suitable for long OCIs, and some of them have ZDDP levels that are way too high.

How long could I run it for then? Some users have used it for 5k with no problems, but even most conventional oils will last that long lol...
One bitog user posted he was going to use it for 10k. Trying to get in touch with him actually...


Edited by gtmaster303 (06/29/14 09:59 PM)
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#3410578 - 06/30/14 06:15 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: gtmaster303]
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I'd want to run a UOA if I were running something that out of spec. You don't want it shearing down too much, and you want to see how the TBN holds up. Given the sump capacity, 5000 miles might be a good starting point; I'd just hope the vehicle doesn't shear the oil too much.
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#3430371 - 07/20/14 04:27 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
I'd want to run a UOA if I were running something that out of spec. You don't want it shearing down too much, and you want to see how the TBN holds up. Given the sump capacity, 5000 miles might be a good starting point; I'd just hope the vehicle doesn't shear the oil too much.

The TBN is almost the same to Mobil 1 (factory recommended). The additives vary somewhat, but overall the whole pack is far greater than Mobil 1
VR1 has no boron or magnesium vs M1, but a LOT more calcium, zinc, phos, moly and sodium
I don't have any idea what these mean.
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28365
It's the only case I have so a UOA is not possible. Thoughts?
I'm thinking I might just use the quarts as top up if it's that outside the realm of approved oils.
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#3430421 - 07/20/14 05:36 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: gtmaster303]
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The HTHS might be a bit of a concern. Personally, I'd just run the stuff in the Jag, for which it's a far better fit.

I wouldn't call the additive package "better" than M1. It's different. If it were "better" than Mobil would simply copy VR1's additive package. It's not like they don't have the resources to do so. wink
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#3430506 - 07/20/14 07:01 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
The HTHS might be a bit of a concern. Personally, I'd just run the stuff in the Jag, for which it's a far better fit.

I wouldn't call the additive package "better" than M1. It's different. If it were "better" than Mobil would simply copy VR1's additive package. It's not like they don't have the resources to do so. wink

Thing is the Jag may be gone before the next change frown hence why I was asking...


Edited by gtmaster303 (07/20/14 07:01 PM)
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#3430614 - 07/20/14 08:41 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: Darren270]
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Im thinking about running it in my 4.9 f150 flat tappet engine, which was made for zinc. If i can find it on sale.
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#3430618 - 07/20/14 08:46 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing Synthetic [Re: gtmaster303]
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The real concern I'd have is about warranty. The Porsche spec isn't met, since it's a bit thin. You already know not to reign in the OCI a bit with the stuff. I don't doubt it would work, but it's not like it's a thousand dollars worth of oil that you have no choice but to use up in something.
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