2010 Ford F-250 powerstroke

[Superford64]

Hey guys. Just wanted to share my last uoa. I hoping someone can help me out, not really sure what to do or whats going on with my 6.4. Truck is stock and runs great with no problem. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks



Shawn: Aluminum continued to increase in this latest report, although it's only up another 2 ppm compared to last time, so at least the rate of increase has slowed. This was the shortest oil run to date, however, so aluminum is still getting higher on a per-mile basis. The change to synthetic oil doesn't seem to have improved aluminum, although it may be the reason for the small amount of sodium that showed up this time. That's not a typical additive in diesel-use oil, but some types may have 10-15 ppm or so. If it's not additive, it may show antifreeze. Check back.




MI/HR on Oil
3,036; 3,919; 4,302; 4,040

MI/HR on Unit
55,107; 52,070; 48,150; 43,850
Sample Date
02/28/13; 12/22/12; 10/20/12; 08/19/12
Make Up Oil Added
0 qts; 0 qts; 0 qts; 0 qts
ALUMINUM
60; 49; 58; 41; 37; 14
CHROMIUM
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1
IRON
18; 19; 19; 19; 20; 30
COPPER
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 2
LEAD
1; 1; 0; 0; 1; 2
TIN
2; 1; 0; 2; 1; 1
MOLYBDENUM
55; 68; 52; 91; 75; 23
NICKEL
1; 1; 0; 1; 0; 1
MANGANESE
0; 1; 1; 1; 1; 0
SILVER
0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0
TITANIUM
3; 7; 24; 0; 0; 0
POTASSIUM
5; 11; 8; 12; 17; 9
BORON
72; 247; 57; 465; 393; 51
SILICON
6; 6; 6; 6; 6; 7
SODIUM
20; 7; 6; 0; 2; 4
CALCIUM
1016; 1371; 1284; 1576; 1607; 1710
MAGNESIUM
1216; 730; 953; 406; 343; 366
PHOSPHORUS
1141; 1135; 1133; 1156; 1108; 973
ZINC
1377; 1317; 1296; 1369; 1227; 1131
BARIUM
0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 1

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F
70.3; 65-76; 63.4; 69.7; 68.5
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C
13.03; 11.6-14.8; 11.17; 12.88; 12.56
Flashpoint in °F >405
420; 415; 445; 405
Fuel % Antifreeze %
0.0; 0.0; 0.0; 0.0
Water %
0.0; 0.0; 0.0; 0.0
Insolubles
0.1; 0.4; 0.3; 0.3
TBN
TAN
ISO Code

 

[AITG]

You're asking a lot expecting anyone to try following all that. Go to the top of this section. Read the directions on posting and try it again.

 

[Donald]

This has got to be one of the hardest to read posts I have seen.

TBN is always a good idea.

The aluminum is certainly high. Silicon is low so its not dirt induced wear. Aluminum is the pistons themselves. Not sure there is much else that is aluminum.

Time to contact Terry Dyson for his opinion on what is going on.

 

[dnewton3]

The 6.4L sheds Al and Fe more than other diesels, but yours seem to be on the high end of even this engine series.

Clearly, as they stated, the syn didn't help reduce the wear metals in question overall.

Please consider posting in a more legible manner next time; see the thread in the top of this sub-forum ... I will edit your post to make it more consumable, as best I can. I must confess I may have messed it up unintentionally, because the quantity of counts versus your averages and such and sample didn't match up.


BTW - just what syn was it ???????

 

[Donald]

Looked back at my last UOA for my Cummins. With 7600 miles, the oil had a aluminum of 1. Obviously different engine, but what a difference.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

What brand of oil and weight are you using? Run some fuel additive injector cleaner at 1.5 % of regular dosage. Do this for a few tankfuls to clean up the injectors and improve fuel dilution issues.

 

[Superford64]

Thanks dnewton3. I appreciate the fix. Sorry bout that guys . I kinda knew it was the pistons, just was telling my self it wasn't.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

My diesel has thrown bad UOA's of lead and aluminum for many years when I first performed UOA's on her......29 years later....Runs great!

 

[Superford64]

I usually run delo 15w-40. But once winter hit and with the high aluminum I changed to valvoline PBX 5w-40. I run diesel kleen in every tank since I got the truck.

 

[Superford64]

It's just making me nervous that it keeps goin up on every uoa

 

[roadrunner1]

If cold-weather starting is your concern, next winter try a 10w-30 vs. the 5w-40 syn.

I honestly don't have an answer for your elevated aluminum other than what has already been posted, these engines do seem to shed much more than others.

You're running such short OCI's I couldn't justify the use of syn.

Since you're already running a fuel additive I would keep your OCI at 5,000mi. and continue to monitor.

 

[Donald]

I would try some Rotella T or T5 or T6, whatever is within your budget. A 5000 OCI is expensive with synthetic oil and a 15QT sump. The Amsoil website mentions this particular vehicle with respect to fuel dilution and only suggests the manufacturers OCI.

 

[dnewton3]

Originally Posted By: Superford64
It's just making me nervous that it keeps goin up on every uoa


I'd ditch the syns and stick with shorter OCIs (defined as: at or less than the OEM OCI). That way, with the proof of OCIs and proof of UOAs, if your Al is really piston scuffing issues, and you have a warranty claim down the road such as engine damage, you'll have a very good basis on which to make that warranty claim.

According to your 2010 F250 owner's manual (available online) here is what is required:
Quote:
For normal or severe service, use Motorcraft oil or an equivalent oil conforming to Ford specification WSS-M2C171–E or API service categories CJ-4 or CJ-4/SM

Any CJ-4 qualified lube in a correct viscosity (10w-30 or 15w-40 or 5w-40) will suffice.

 

[BoiseRob]

I would stop the fuel additive for the next OCI cycle to see if the lack of additive lowers the wear metals. I believe Ford still injects fuel during the exhaust stroke to fire off a DPF regen cycle. Maybe the additive is acidic and is leaching metals from the heads & bore?

Just a thought...

 

[Superford64]

Ok. I'll run what I have in now till 5000 mi. Then dump that for some motorcraft 15w-40 at regular oci. Just want to keep myself covered.

 

[DrDusty86]

Could be ready to let go. It wouldn't be the first 6.4PSD to blow up. They are time bombs. It is not if she blows it is more of when she does. Youtube powerstrokehelp..great info overall.
The 6.4 has made me like the 6.0 in my Superduty more. The Emissions regen cycle will kill a 6.4..Thanks EPA for your garbage.. a 10mpg 6.4 with half the emissions or a 20mpg 6.0 with twice the emissions of a 6.4. No not quite that simple but close..Do the math the 6.4 is junk

 

[dnewton3]

I will counter with this ...

The 6.4L PSD is an outgrowth of the 6.0L engine. As I recall a larger percentage of the parts (just less than half) are carryover.

The biggest differences are the induction systems (seq turbo, etc) and the fueling (CR verus HEUI). Yes, there was a displacement bump; bored from 95mm to 98mm.

I agree that the emissions stuff makes it difficult to manage some things, but that is true of the other brands as well from that era. But that does not make the 6.4L "junk"; at least not anymore than the sick-point-oh ....

 

[mattd]

In my 7.3 diesel i used to run a small amount of ashless 2 stroke oil in the fuel to add lubricity. The ULSD is very coarse, and not friendly to O ring seals and other moving parts, such as injectors.

 

[dnewton3]

You know, I'd tend to agree with that comment on ULSD; I, too, run an additive (Power Service).

But, there was a recently posted thread over at dieselplace where a guy has 508K miles on his 2006 Dmax truck; he runs contract US mail bulk delivery. He states he has rarely ever run any fuel additives. After 508k miles, with no injector or pump issues, perhaps the fear of ULSD lacking lubricity is overblown? Or more specifically, perhaps the lack of sulphur aromatics in the fuel, which is compensated by ULSD blending of additional additives, makes the fear of ULSD unwarranted. I'd admit that one example does not make for anything more than anecdotal evidence. But one cannot avoid that stellar example and at least take note of it. Most folks never even drive their light duty diesel that far. 500k+ miles on ULSD with almost no additives, and he claims it still runs just fine and gets the same mileage as it always has. So not only does the injection system still work, it apparently works well enough that efficiency has not changed much.

 

[REDDOG]

dnewton3,

That's pretty cool! Was there any mention of what the rest of the maintenance practices for that rig consisted of?

Thanks,