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#2937607 - 03/13/13 02:04 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: Donald]
KHP Offline


Registered: 08/01/11
Posts: 167
Loc: Reno, NV
Originally Posted By: Donald
PU


+1

Both are excellent oils, if you can easily acquire PU locally then I say go for PU. I do prefer PU over M1 on my Turbo Subaru. Either way I don't think you can go wrong.


Edited by KHP (03/13/13 02:08 PM)
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#2937635 - 03/13/13 02:34 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 28963
Loc: NJ
Quote:
The Ford Ecoboost 3.5 can be hard on oil - fuel dilution is a worry.


Both are top notch. Edge would currently go to PU, but it would be close. I say run both and do a UOA. If fuel dilution is an issue, keep your drains short. Also, some oils that use little to no viscosity index improvers, (your 10w30 synthetics with Low viscosity index) can sometimes hold up better when fuel diulution is an issue.

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#2937636 - 03/13/13 02:35 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: OVERKILL]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 28963
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: bigt61
Turbo? Heat? Is it driven hard at all? No way I would go with M1 AFE - phosphorous only 650ppm. In a Hi Performance vehicle with a Turbo, that's a recipe for disaster IMO. Regular M1 5W-30 might be marginal at 800ppm. Maybe M1 5W-30 Hi Mileage or the Turbo 5W-40. If you use the 0W-30 AFE, drive it gently, the low shear might be another concern.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf


It has Ford's approval. There are other anti-wear additives of the organic variety being used in these new cutting-edge fomulas, components that don't show up in a UOA.

And I'm confused as to your correlation between a turbo (high heat) and phosphorous (high valve spring pressure, cam lobe protection). An oil with high quality base oils that resist heat well are certainly suitable for use in a turbo application, and the oil in question is of that variety.


Right. Mobil 1 currently uses the latest in additive and base oil technology. You can't judge an oil by a VOA.

Mobil 1 0w30 also meets GM 4718M, and I believe now dexos 1. It also has a good slug of PAO in it. 40% I believe.

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#2937639 - 03/13/13 02:40 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
bigt61 Offline


Registered: 02/12/13
Posts: 812
Loc: Virginia
Well, if he drives it like Grand Ma, I'm sure the 0W-30 will be fine - and he does live in Vancouver so cold starts would be a benefit. 0W-40 might be the better choice though.

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_0W-40.aspx

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/Mot...bo_Engines.aspx
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#2937678 - 03/13/13 03:21 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: bigt61]
ajwan Offline


Registered: 08/14/04
Posts: 107
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: bigt61
Well, if he drives it like Grand Ma, I'm sure the 0W-30 will be fine - and he does live in Vancouver so cold starts would be a benefit. 0W-40 might be the better choice though.

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_0W-40.aspx

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/Mot...bo_Engines.aspx


LOL! I'm pragmatic. Totally a grand-ma during my daily commutes. But I will let her rip on occasion on highway entrances and during passing maneuvers!

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#2937684 - 03/13/13 03:27 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: volk06]
ajwan Offline


Registered: 08/14/04
Posts: 107
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: volk06
Use the PU due to its very low NOACK. This may help with deposits. This lineup is too young to tell if deposits will be a issue.


This may very well swing me to use PU. Ford claims to have at least minimized the deposit issue according to this patent:

http://www.google.com/patents/US6178944

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#2937692 - 03/13/13 03:33 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
Coprolite Offline


Registered: 07/03/11
Posts: 923
Loc: TX
I would use 0w-30 before using 0w-40 when under warranty for my 3.5 Ecoboost. That being said, I have more than three changes worth of PU 5w-30 lined up and have my eyes on more if it goes on clearance.

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#2937699 - 03/13/13 03:38 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
bigt61 Offline


Registered: 02/12/13
Posts: 812
Loc: Virginia
Nice find - I knew someone would eventually figure out a way past the carbon forming on the intake valves of DGI engines. I wonder if other people will "copy" Ford's method or have to license it from them.
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70 Camaro 5.7L 59k

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#2937711 - 03/13/13 03:48 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
Coprolite Offline


Registered: 07/03/11
Posts: 923
Loc: TX
Other companies are putting out a hybrid injection system. Audi is one that springs to mind.

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#2937714 - 03/13/13 03:49 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
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Registered: 06/13/08
Posts: 230
Loc: D-town
If I owned a Focus ST, I'd personally go with M1 0w-40.

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#2937736 - 03/13/13 04:17 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: A_A_G]
ajwan Offline


Registered: 08/14/04
Posts: 107
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: A_A_G
If I owned a Focus ST, I'd personally go with M1 0w-40.


Wouldn't fuel consumption concern you by going with a 40 weight? Granted fuel consumption is typically an afterthought on a performance vehicle. But the interesting thing is that many owners bought an ST over others because it very nicely combines practicality, performance, and fuel economy (I live on focusst.org). Ford advertises 22 city/32 MPG highway (26 combined). Most appear to have a very difficult time achieving the 32 number, myself included.

Regards.


Edited by ajwan (03/13/13 04:19 PM)

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#2937960 - 03/13/13 08:05 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: ajwan]
ajwan Offline


Registered: 08/14/04
Posts: 107
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
The problejm I have now is that neither of these oils are even available to us in the Great White North. Will have to make a special trip to Bellingham just to get these oils!

My long term preference is for PU Euro 5W-30 as it is low SAPS and carries the VW504/507 spec. Unfortunately, we will never find this oil in NA. PU it is then.

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#2937989 - 03/13/13 08:36 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: Coprolite]
volk06 Offline


Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 4179
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
I would use 0w-30 before using 0w-40 when under warranty for my 3.5 Ecoboost. That being said, I have more than three changes worth of PU 5w-30 lined up and have my eyes on more if it goes on clearance.


I might sneak an OCI of M1 0w-40 into my ecoboost next go around. This OCI will be about 3K per the OLM (65% @ 1K) in the past 4 months. OCI will be done with engine hours and not miles. As long as I get it to the dealer before its been a year and 10K since my last visit...they will never know.. lol With the fuel dilution and shearing it'll be a 30wt after 1000 miles anyway. Have to use up my stash of oil before I buy more though so more than likely it will be out of warranty when I try the 0w40.
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#2938023 - 03/13/13 09:11 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: buster]
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Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 723
Loc: South East Asia
50% i believe there is a reason why the product listed on the sequence EP, standard, AFE, HM on the website :-)

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#2938085 - 03/13/13 10:11 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra or Mobil 1 AFE for Focus ST? [Re: A_A_G]
Hyde244 Offline


Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 606
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: A_A_G
If I owned a Focus ST, I'd personally go with M1 0w-40.
Considering Ford doesn't make the jump up in oil weight from 30 until you hit their 5L and 5.4L Mustang engines - 0w40 would be overkill.

Stick with the 30 weight oil as it matches the proper Ford specs for a Focus ST.
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