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#3309693 - 03/12/14 05:53 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: MolaKule]
chuck1955 Offline


Registered: 02/11/12
Posts: 59
Loc: minnesota
On page 158 of Obama's 2015 budget proposal is up 200 million to be used to support infrastructure for refueling stations for alternative fuels. This administration is definitely in the corner of corn ethanol. They talk climate change then they support this ecological mess.

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#3309914 - 03/12/14 09:07 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: MolaKule]
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#3310023 - 03/12/14 10:38 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: MolaKule]
morris Offline


Registered: 08/24/08
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steve EVERY ONE has an axe to grind.

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#3311055 - 03/13/14 08:40 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: TrevorS]
chuck1955 Offline


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TrevorS that's a great read. Just about every claim the corn lobby makes isn't true. The consumer is the one taken advantage of. A fuel most consumers don't want and higher prices on food. The real culprit is corn lobby money fueling political campaigns. How many more programs is this administration supporting that do nothing but hurt the economy?

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#3311076 - 03/13/14 08:58 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: chuck1955]
turtlevette Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
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Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: chuck1955
TrevorS that's a great read. Just about every claim the corn lobby makes isn't true. The consumer is the one taken advantage of. A fuel most consumers don't want and higher prices on food. The real culprit is corn lobby money fueling political campaigns. How many more programs is this administration supporting that do nothing but hurt the economy?


Today's corn price is 4.55, not that high. I just don't see the conspiracy.

Why allow Exxon and Mobil to merge. Did you have any problem with that? Gas prices have gone up ever since.

Why does one give you heartburn but not the other. Are you connected to oil?

Full disclosure.

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#3311627 - 03/14/14 10:32 AM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: MolaKule]
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Everyone should take a moment to read the IG's report on the EPA recently released.

It may wake some of the cheerleaders up to the realities of huge Gov and central planning...
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#3311629 - 03/14/14 10:33 AM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: morris]
SteveSRT8 Offline


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Originally Posted By: morris
steve EVERY ONE has an axe to grind.


Hey Morris!

You betcha they do, and mine is nice and sharp, as I love to take down large trees with my own labor!
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#3311960 - 03/14/14 03:56 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: SteveSRT8]
turtlevette Offline


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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Everyone should take a moment to read the IG's report on the EPA recently released.


I keep looking for this report. When I search it brings me to some seriously wacky right wing websites.

So let me get this straight. You trust government when it agrees with your view, but distrust when it doesn't?


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#3312033 - 03/14/14 05:09 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: turtlevette]
chuck1955 Offline


Registered: 02/11/12
Posts: 59
Loc: minnesota
Turtlevette take the time to read TrevorS's link to Justfactsdaily.com. The reaction by one of the head corn lobbyist is hilarious. Non bias site being accused of links to big oil. Than they give the lobbyist a chance to respond and he disappears. How much oil does this program replace? Nobody seems to want to touch that question. The fact that fueleconomy.gov has almost every flex vehicle costing at least 25% more to use E85 verses gasoline has to tell you the consumer is paying for this scam.

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#3312072 - 03/14/14 06:07 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: chuck1955]
turtlevette Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
Posts: 2754
Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: chuck1955
the consumer is paying for this scam.


What kind of scam is it going to be when there is no gasoline for our vehicles? And there is not a competing product?

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#3312100 - 03/14/14 06:34 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: turtlevette]
chuck1955 Offline


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Loc: minnesota
Turlevette I do think we need to do what we can about energy and environmental concerns. The fact is this program does very little towards replacing oil needs. I like that California's approach "if it isn't clean we shouldn't use it". I would go one step further and not allow product into this country that doesn't meet the same standards we hold our manufactures to. I hope you took the time to read that article. Really spells out the reasons why this program is wrong. Usage is down 6% and we driving more efficient cars, that's a far better way to go.

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#3312135 - 03/14/14 07:19 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: chuck1955]
kschachn Offline


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I still am confused on the whole reason we need to replace oil. Does the US have an oil shortage?

Originally Posted By: chuck1955
Turlevette I do think we need to do what we can about energy and environmental concerns. The fact is this program does very little towards replacing oil needs. I like that California's approach "if it isn't clean we shouldn't use it". I would go one step further and not allow product into this country that doesn't meet the same standards we hold our manufactures to. I hope you took the time to read that article. Really spells out the reasons why this program is wrong. Usage is down 6% and we driving more efficient cars, that's a far better way to go.
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#3312138 - 03/14/14 07:22 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: kschachn]
turtlevette Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
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Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I still am confused on the whole reason we need to replace oil. Does the US have an oil shortage?


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr6enr/pdf/BILLS-110hr6enr.pdf

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#3312140 - 03/14/14 07:23 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: turtlevette]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 5468
Loc: Upper Midwest
So there's a shortage of oil?

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I still am confused on the whole reason we need to replace oil. Does the US have an oil shortage?


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr6enr/pdf/BILLS-110hr6enr.pdf
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#3312144 - 03/14/14 07:31 PM Re: Another Look at Ethanol [Re: turtlevette]
chuck1955 Offline


Registered: 02/11/12
Posts: 59
Loc: minnesota
Kschachn that's the theme of this program "wean us from foreign oil". 50% of the tilled land in the corn belt goes into this program with little or no return, and yes the oil situation has changed. That's one reason this program needs an overhaul. The increasing mandates aren't manageable without increasing the amount required in gasoline.

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