Ranking the conventional oils
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They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN. This teir 1 / tier 2 stuff is bogus as it is mainly about brand recognition and bias in a region.
But I'll play:
Teir 1:
Kendall (blend tho)
MC (blend tho)
MS5K
PYB
QSGB
Teir 2:
GTX
VWB
Trop Artic
WPP oils
Havoline/Chevron supreme as they are the same oil
But I'll play:
Teir 1:
Kendall (blend tho)
MC (blend tho)
MS5K
PYB
QSGB
Teir 2:
GTX
VWB
Trop Artic
WPP oils
Havoline/Chevron supreme as they are the same oil
Originally Posted By: volk06
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN. This teir 1 / tier 2 stuff is bogus as it is mainly about brand recognition and bias in a region.
But I'll play:
Teir 1:
Kendall (blend tho)
MC (blend tho)
MS5K
PYB
QSGB
Teir 2:
GTX
VWB
Trop Artic
WPP oils
Havoline/Chevron supreme as they are the same oil
Where do you buy Kendall and MC I have never seen it, why do you have QS so high with that high sulfur content? Pretty obvious its lesser oil, and I think the PQIA analysis showed Havoline and Chevron are different.
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN. This teir 1 / tier 2 stuff is bogus as it is mainly about brand recognition and bias in a region.
But I'll play:
Teir 1:
Kendall (blend tho)
MC (blend tho)
MS5K
PYB
QSGB
Teir 2:
GTX
VWB
Trop Artic
WPP oils
Havoline/Chevron supreme as they are the same oil
Where do you buy Kendall and MC I have never seen it, why do you have QS so high with that high sulfur content? Pretty obvious its lesser oil, and I think the PQIA analysis showed Havoline and Chevron are different.
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Is this just in opinion or some sort of fact?
I like but don't care either way:
Valvoline
Formula Shell
Pennzoil
Quaker State
I like but don't care either way:
Valvoline
Formula Shell
Pennzoil
Quaker State
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Is this just in opinion or some sort of fact?
I like but don't care either way:
Valvoline
Formula Shell
Pennzoil
Quaker State
Isnt formula shell the worst of Pennzoil QS shell line? curious why you like them the most
Is this just in opinion or some sort of fact?
I like but don't care either way:
Valvoline
Formula Shell
Pennzoil
Quaker State
Isnt formula shell the worst of Pennzoil QS shell line? curious why you like them the most
MS5k
VWB
Trop Artic (syn blend with conventional price)
pyb
VWB
Trop Artic (syn blend with conventional price)
pyb
Originally Posted By: NorrisB
Originally Posted By: volk06
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN. This teir 1 / tier 2 stuff is bogus as it is mainly about brand recognition and bias in a region.
But I'll play:
Teir 1:
Kendall (blend tho)
MC (blend tho)
MS5K
PYB
QSGB
Teir 2:
GTX
VWB
Trop Artic
WPP oils
Havoline/Chevron supreme as they are the same oil
Where do you buy Kendall and MC I have never seen it, why do you have QS so high with that high sulfur content? Pretty obvious its lesser oil, and I think the PQIA analysis showed Havoline and Chevron are different.
Kendall from a local farm store. Motorcraft - any ford dealer, walmart, or auto parts store. Sulfur doesn't mean much as some additives contain sulfur. Motorcraft, MS5K, QSGB, all have higher sulfur - that number doesn't mean much. Chevron Supreme and Havoline are the same as they merged those two lines.
Originally Posted By: volk06
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN. This teir 1 / tier 2 stuff is bogus as it is mainly about brand recognition and bias in a region.
But I'll play:
Teir 1:
Kendall (blend tho)
MC (blend tho)
MS5K
PYB
QSGB
Teir 2:
GTX
VWB
Trop Artic
WPP oils
Havoline/Chevron supreme as they are the same oil
Where do you buy Kendall and MC I have never seen it, why do you have QS so high with that high sulfur content? Pretty obvious its lesser oil, and I think the PQIA analysis showed Havoline and Chevron are different.
Kendall from a local farm store. Motorcraft - any ford dealer, walmart, or auto parts store. Sulfur doesn't mean much as some additives contain sulfur. Motorcraft, MS5K, QSGB, all have higher sulfur - that number doesn't mean much. Chevron Supreme and Havoline are the same as they merged those two lines.
Originally Posted By: NorrisB
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Is this just in opinion or some sort of fact?
I like but don't care either way:
Valvoline
Formula Shell
Pennzoil
Quaker State
Isnt formula shell the worst of Pennzoil QS shell line? curious why you like them the most
Because it's cheap in a 12 pack at Costco, and it has always worked fine for me.. I go about 6k on conventional so it likely makes no difference which one I use.
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Is this just in opinion or some sort of fact?
I like but don't care either way:
Valvoline
Formula Shell
Pennzoil
Quaker State
Isnt formula shell the worst of Pennzoil QS shell line? curious why you like them the most
Because it's cheap in a 12 pack at Costco, and it has always worked fine for me.. I go about 6k on conventional so it likely makes no difference which one I use.
I'm considering value for the dollar considering all major offerings meet API certification.
Mobil Super 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle
Good oils but poor value for the money.
Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle
Mobil Super 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle
Good oils but poor value for the money.
Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I'm considering value for the dollar considering all major offerings meet API certification.
Mobil Clean 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle
Good oils but poor value for the money.
Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle
Surprised you have PYB in the poor value, here it is cheaper than GTX, VWB, and MC. Cheaper than peak unless peak is on sale. Its only .75 more than QSBG, 15.47 vs 14.xx
I'm considering value for the dollar considering all major offerings meet API certification.
Mobil Clean 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle
Good oils but poor value for the money.
Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle
Surprised you have PYB in the poor value, here it is cheaper than GTX, VWB, and MC. Cheaper than peak unless peak is on sale. Its only .75 more than QSBG, 15.47 vs 14.xx
Originally Posted By: NorrisB
Where do you buy Kendall and MC I have never seen it
At least in SF Bay Area, Kohlweiss in Redwood city sells Kendall and it's often available on Amazon, I've seen it in at lesat two different indepedent shops, so local disributors would carry it. Motorcraft is quite available at O'Reillys, at least.
Where do you buy Kendall and MC I have never seen it
At least in SF Bay Area, Kohlweiss in Redwood city sells Kendall and it's often available on Amazon, I've seen it in at lesat two different indepedent shops, so local disributors would carry it. Motorcraft is quite available at O'Reillys, at least.
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html
No boron, no moly fairly weak add pack.
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html
No boron, no moly fairly weak add pack.
Originally Posted By: NorrisB
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html
No boron, no moly fairly weak add pack.
It has sodium and titanium. It doesn't need moly or boron. It doesn't have a "weak additive package".
Take a look at this. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2800663
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html
No boron, no moly fairly weak add pack.
It has sodium and titanium. It doesn't need moly or boron. It doesn't have a "weak additive package".
Take a look at this. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2800663
I'll make it easier since we don't know what vehicle these oils are going to be used.
1. All the above
Bill
1. All the above
Bill
Tier one
Chevron supreme
Tier two
All others
Chevron supreme
Tier two
All others
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I'm considering value for the dollar considering all major offerings meet API certification.
Mobil Clean 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle
Good oils but poor value for the money.
Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle
Surprised you have PYB in the poor value, here it is cheaper than GTX, VWB, and MC. Cheaper than peak unless peak is on sale. Its only .75 more than QSBG, 15.47 vs 14.xx
Not to mention it has a but load of moly and good shot of boron!!
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I'm considering value for the dollar considering all major offerings meet API certification.
Mobil Clean 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle
Good oils but poor value for the money.
Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle
Surprised you have PYB in the poor value, here it is cheaper than GTX, VWB, and MC. Cheaper than peak unless peak is on sale. Its only .75 more than QSBG, 15.47 vs 14.xx
Not to mention it has a but load of moly and good shot of boron!!
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
I would agree that Mobil don't make second tier oils and are on a par with Castrol and Shell, the only other US based engine oil company the fussy Germans think makes good oil is Valvoline.
Drifting slightly off topic, you should not jump to conclusions when looking at a single UOA unless your vehicle has the same engine, in the same main block condition and subject to the same useage. Even when all those factors are the same a different climate, particle streaks and leftover oil from the last OCI can distort the figures.
A 10K mile OCI is possible with quite a number of different conventional oils if you do mostly highway miles, although I am in the one third of VOA TBN camp rather than the Blackstones 1 camp.
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283
I would agree that Mobil don't make second tier oils and are on a par with Castrol and Shell, the only other US based engine oil company the fussy Germans think makes good oil is Valvoline.
Drifting slightly off topic, you should not jump to conclusions when looking at a single UOA unless your vehicle has the same engine, in the same main block condition and subject to the same useage. Even when all those factors are the same a different climate, particle streaks and leftover oil from the last OCI can distort the figures.
A 10K mile OCI is possible with quite a number of different conventional oils if you do mostly highway miles, although I am in the one third of VOA TBN camp rather than the Blackstones 1 camp.
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