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#2885995 - 01/27/13 05:06 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: MolaKule]
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Registered: 06/01/07
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule

So eventually, you will have a mix of NEO low vis, Zmax, and some Redline low vis racing oil in the UOA analysis.


Let me say it one more time, "I only care about fuel economy". The UOA is to see if I am destroying the engine, and not to reduce engine wear. I am adding ZMAX and then the Red Line oil to thin out the NEO in search for better fuel economy. The race part of the Red Line oil is to prolong any "serious" damage I might be doing to the engine since I am planning on a 35K OCI, at least.

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#2886495 - 01/28/13 05:35 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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I'd save your breath Mola... Can penetrate this guys mind at all.
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#2886503 - 01/28/13 06:15 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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Welcome to the party, are you clueless also?


Edited by azsynthetic (01/28/13 06:18 AM)

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#2886713 - 01/28/13 10:35 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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I'm confused by the viscosity of the final mix, has this been calculated to be an 0W5??

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#2886732 - 01/28/13 11:06 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Welcome to the party, are you clueless also?


Seeing as I don't think the same as you, I guess so.
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#2887285 - 01/28/13 06:44 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: Bambam]
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Come on guys...give OP a break. I think this is a very cool experiment! He is only interested in MPG! I get it and love what he's doing. Don't you want him to keep us informed? Let him do his thing and just enjoy.

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#2888043 - 01/29/13 12:45 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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We all get that, the one thing I don't get is you want to spend as little on fuel as possible. You will however spend countless dollars on boutique racing oils & oil additives which would pretty much negate any savings at all.

You are basically spending money one way to save it in another. Just doesn't make sense and you appear to be proud of that. Again, fine & all but then jump down the throats of those that question you.

Jim Allen:

Which regards to wear if the bottom ends on TDI's can reach 400k with consumer grade lubricants on factory maintenance schedules I would think 50k of the wrong oil wouldn't injure a think especially if it is at a constant highway rpm.


Edited by Thermo1223 (01/29/13 12:49 PM)
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#2889365 - 01/30/13 01:33 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
We all get that, the one thing I don't get is you want to spend as little on fuel as possible. You will however spend countless dollars on boutique racing oils & oil additives which would pretty much negate any savings at all.


Which level of high school math are you at? I need to know this before I can explain to you how I save money. Here are some primers: NEO oil ($30/gallon), ZMAX ($15/quarts), 2T oil ($4/qt), full flow filter ($7 per OCI), Bypass filter ($30 every 50-60K). 25-35K OCI (OEM is 10K), diesel ($4/gallon), 57mpg instead of 44mpg. Can you do the math?

Also, this experiment will apply to my other vehicles in the near future.


Edited by azsynthetic (01/30/13 01:42 PM)

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#2889371 - 01/30/13 01:41 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: Thermo1223]
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Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
Which regards to wear if the bottom ends on TDI's can reach 400k with consumer grade lubricants on factory maintenance schedules I would think 50k of the wrong oil wouldn't injure a think especially if it is at a constant highway rpm.


There are plenty of ALH engined TDIs out there still happily motoring along with 200k, 300k, 400k+ miles on stock bottom ends that were tortured at the stealership's disservice department with Syntec 5w30 during the warranty period.

TDT or T6 is far better for them, but I'll be darned if the ALH doesn't seem to care much what's in its crankcase.
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#2889950 - 01/31/13 02:22 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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Azsynthetic,

Very cool report, thanks for posting!
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#2889952 - 01/31/13 02:38 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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I like that your using a thin oil and the engine isn't dissolving. I just started to appreciate them.
I'm thankful that your posting your results.
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#2889953 - 01/31/13 02:39 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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I like that your using a thin oil and the engine isn't dissolving. I just started to appreciate them.
I'm thankful that y
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#2912907 - 02/19/13 09:12 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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Registered: 10/08/12
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I too appreciate the posts. A little combative at times but very interesting.

I'm also in the thin oil camp after ditching the 10W-60 grease BMW recommends for the S65 engine for a mixture of Redline 40W race and 5W-30 Street oil. First UOA came back good at 8k miles and I'm about to perform a mid cycle check at 4k on the current fill.

Keep up the good work. BTW, I'm still letting the dealer fill my wife's TDI Sportwagen. It rarely get's better than 40 mpg.

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#2995239 - 05/07/13 06:37 AM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: azsynthetic]
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Registered: 12/07/10
Posts: 474
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
We all get that, the one thing I don't get is you want to spend as little on fuel as possible. You will however spend countless dollars on boutique racing oils & oil additives which would pretty much negate any savings at all.


Which level of high school math are you at? I need to know this before I can explain to you how I save money. Here are some primers: NEO oil ($30/gallon), ZMAX ($15/quarts), 2T oil ($4/qt), full flow filter ($7 per OCI), Bypass filter ($30 every 50-60K). 25-35K OCI (OEM is 10K), diesel ($4/gallon), 57mpg instead of 44mpg. Can you do the math?

Also, this experiment will apply to my other vehicles in the near future.


+1.
way to go azsyhthetic, really thanks for your posts and experiment into uncharted territory!
pls continue your journey... smile

BTW what is your opinion on WHY this real thin oil is still in the good and engine has not failed... is it because the NEO and RL oils contain a heavy dose of the antiwear and anti oxidant additives (a few 100% higher than the regular oils) OR is it mainly because of the highly stable synthetic base stocks ?

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#2998804 - 05/10/13 11:42 PM Re: NEO 0w5 Racing Synthetic, 25K, VW Golf 1.9TDI, ALH [Re: fpracha]
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Loc: Phoenix AZ
Originally Posted By: fpracha

BTW what is your opinion on WHY this real thin oil is still in the good and engine has not failed... is it because the NEO and RL oils contain a heavy dose of the antiwear and anti oxidant additives (a few 100% higher than the regular oils) OR is it mainly because of the highly stable synthetic base stocks ?


High additive levels and high quality base stocks are the keys. Both oils have proven themselves being able to handle extreme racing conditions so using them in my car is just a walk in the park.

I am 12K miles into a 35K OCI of this oil and RL blend. So far mileage is up and nothing unusual that I can detect. Best mileage so far is 64mpg for several tanks. Probably early next year before I can get an UOA.

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