VW 505 and 507 spec

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It's probably already discuss many times what are spec's for those oils, I guess they are LL03 oils, so it should be have cSt at 100 more then 13, but after looking Castrol website Castrol SLX is about cSt 12 only, and HTHS numbers please. I was looking TDi forum and their oil results, all have low number (11 and below) for cSt at 100 after 5,000 or 10,000 miles. My idea LL03 should similar to BMW LL01, or not?
I have Passat Tdi now.
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so it should be have cSt at 100 more then 13,

Nope. The older 505.00 and the newer 507.00 spec don't have a 100C viscosity minimum, but the HT/HS viscosity minimum is 3.5 cP.

There is also a 505.01 spec which is a low-SAPS spec that requires sulfated ash to be no more than 0.8%. This spec would be the equivalent of LL-04 at BMW and 229.51 at Mercedes.

For a newer TDI with DPF you probably do want a low-SAPS oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
For a newer TDI with DPF you probably do want a low-SAPS oil.


Absolutely true. 0.6% maximum SAPS allowable on TDIs equipped with DPFs.

The HTHS is overblown for the new CRs which have fully rollerized valvetrains. Big HTHS numbers are very important for PDs, absolutely, but not for the new common rail engines.
 
what is PD's?

So it should be HTHS 3.5 or more (100%) and there is no high number for cSt @100C anymore.

So I found only this oil at retail stores Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30. And one more question, would you replace oil every 5,000 or 10,000 as VW said, knowing Germans oil gaskets failed left and right?
 
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what is PD's?

Pumpe Düse - it's a type of injection system.

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So it should be HTHS 3.5 or more (100%) and there is no high number for cSt @100C anymore.

There was never any limit on viscosity at 100C.

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So I found only this oil at retail stores Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30. And mor ewould you replace oil every 5,000 or 10,000 as VW said, knowing Germans oil gaskets failed left and right?

Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 available at Napa and Walmart also meets VW 505.01 spec.

I'm not really sure about the OCI.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: phlfly
what is PD's?

Pumpe Düse - it's a type of injection system.

Quote:

So it should be HTHS 3.5 or more (100%) and there is no high number for cSt @100C anymore.

There was never any limit on viscosity at 100C.

Quote:

So I found only this oil at retail stores Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30. And mor ewould you replace oil every 5,000 or 10,000 as VW said, knowing Germans oil gaskets failed left and right?

Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 available at Napa and Walmart also meets VW 505.01 spec.

I'm not really sure about the OCI.


Does it meet 507 for low sulfate?
 
Originally Posted By: phlfly

Does it meet 507 for low sulfate?

507.00 has a 1.5% sulfated ash limit. 505.01 has a 0.8% sulfated ash limit, so 505.01 is actually a more stringent spec and Synpower 5w-40 meets it.

Another option is M1 ESP 5w-30 available at PepBoys.
 
Nice. It's good to know M1 has oil that matched 507. Thanks. Also as I was reading my 2012 Passat TDi has common rail, but not Pump Duse.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: phlfly

Does it meet 507 for low sulfate?

507.00 has a 1.5% sulfated ash limit. 505.01 has a 0.8% sulfated ash limit, so 505.01 is actually a more stringent spec and Synpower 5w-40 meets it.

Another option is M1 ESP 5w-30 available at PepBoys.


There were 2 iterations of 505.01:
Full SAPS - 1999 - VW 505.01 Sulphated Ash max. limit 1.5%, HTHS>3.5 cP
Mid SAPS - 2005 - VW 505.01 Sulphated Ash max. limit 0.8%, HTHS>3.5 cP

507 is mid/low SaPS and has a higher after treatment compatibility than 505.01, how is that possible considering the bigger 1.5% Sa limit?!?!
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Originally Posted By: tudorart
507 is mid/low SaPS and has a higher after treatment compatibility than 505.01, how is that possible considering the bigger 1.5% Sa limit?!?!


My understanding is the 1.5% SAPS limit is a hard upper limit - a ceiling if you will. The Afton link QP showed is good, Lubrizol's online oil comparison tool shows similar information.

I also seem to recall 0.6% was selected as an appropriate trade-off between wear and DPF life in actual service, which is why 507.00 certified oils adhere to this limit but can't find a source for it at the moment.
 
So in general this Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 oil, is good? I mean this not 100% sythetic, or group IV or V, even it said in spec.

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/mediendb.nsf/gfx2/3706%20Top%20Tec%204200_EN.pdf/$file/3706%20Top%20Tec%204200_EN.pdf
 
Originally Posted By: phlfly
So in general this Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 oil, is good?

It's a great oil, and to rest easy at night all you need to know is that it is certified to the VW 507.00 oil standard a new common rail "Clean Diesel" Passat requires.

If you have one of the fairly rare 2004/2005 B5.5 Passat TDIs, then I would use any 5w40 CJ-4 synthetic with confidence... and worry more about the known balance shaft issue.

If even an older B4 TDI, my 5w40 CJ-4 advice still stands.
 
Would you do any different in term oil change interval for turbo engines?
I heard the synthetic oil don't crystallize like conventional oil, so intervals don't matter anymore.

Alos that heat from turbo is giving away to oil, when temp at bearing could 1,000F.
 
Originally Posted By: phlfly
Would you do any different in term oil change interval for turbo engines?
I heard the synthetic oil don't crystallize like conventional oil, so intervals don't matter anymore.

Alos that heat from turbo is giving away to oil, when temp at bearing could 1,000F.

You're way overthinking this. VW has already spec'd a good oil for that engine, even taking into account the oil-cooled turbocharger bearings.

Use a good oil that's 507.00 certified & OEM/OE filters, keep the oil level topped up and run it the full 10k miles.
 
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