hi folks,
been lurking on BITOG for a long time, GREAT INFO i learned here, finally have a reason to "break my duck" as they say... now for a longish post.
does anyone have any experiences with an oil additive called "Two2Cool"?
Two2Cool Home Page
the manufacturer states (copied from their product info page):
- Instantly drops engine oil temps, 40 to 60 degrees
- Safe for all 2 and 4 stroke applications
- Dyno proven HP increases (1.3 hp gain on a KTM 50cc Mini)
- Contains no friction modifiers (moly, Teflon, or silicone) and is safe for all clutches
- Significantly reduces heat / wear
- Increases the life of all oil related parts
- Has no residual effects, empties out with every oil change
- Compatible with all engine oil
- Add 2 oz. per Quart of engine oil
- Saves on expensive repairs
now before you jump on me and say "what are you shilling for here ace?"... i'm not affilliated with the above company, in fact i'm not even a user of their product. on another forum (a four stroke offroad motorcycle forum called "Thumpertalk"), the manufacturer of Two2Cool has reiterated the claims above and made further claims, including the following:
(1)
anyway, my questions all revolve around whether anyone has evaluated this, used this, or tested this, and what were the findings?
thanks
jim / wrooster
been lurking on BITOG for a long time, GREAT INFO i learned here, finally have a reason to "break my duck" as they say... now for a longish post.
does anyone have any experiences with an oil additive called "Two2Cool"?
Two2Cool Home Page
the manufacturer states (copied from their product info page):
- Instantly drops engine oil temps, 40 to 60 degrees
- Safe for all 2 and 4 stroke applications
- Dyno proven HP increases (1.3 hp gain on a KTM 50cc Mini)
- Contains no friction modifiers (moly, Teflon, or silicone) and is safe for all clutches
- Significantly reduces heat / wear
- Increases the life of all oil related parts
- Has no residual effects, empties out with every oil change
- Compatible with all engine oil
- Add 2 oz. per Quart of engine oil
- Saves on expensive repairs
now before you jump on me and say "what are you shilling for here ace?"... i'm not affilliated with the above company, in fact i'm not even a user of their product. on another forum (a four stroke offroad motorcycle forum called "Thumpertalk"), the manufacturer of Two2Cool has reiterated the claims above and made further claims, including the following:
(1)
(2)quote:
I see that you ride a 250F. A YZ250F ridden in tight woods or by a fast B rider or above will have engine oil temps above 300F. [...] There is no engine oil I know of that claims it will survive in these extreme temps.
(3)quote:
As far as how it works I will be glad to answer. Its a very long explanation especially since there is more than one reason why two2cool works. It also works in different ways as different conditions occur at different temps.
The primary way it works is as follows. It really doesnt cool your oil but keeps the heat from being made in the first place. All engine oil in its natural state repells from heat. Even during lower temps oil is repelling away at a mollecular level. As friction/heats rises the oil repells even faster. To the point when wet clutches become so hot they fizzle the oil and create a vapor barrier between the clutch and the oil itself.
Take a steel clutch plate and place it in the oven at its highest setting and it will not turn blue. Does anyone know how hot a clutch plate has to be to turn blue? Does anyone think a plate submerged in oil could even turn blue? Does anyone know how much HP each different model will loose on the dyno when the oil gets over 325f? 22cool changes the oils naturally bad characterisitc and makes it atttracted to heat. Oil treated w/22cool will actually run up hill towards heat.
Now as soon as your engine starts making heat the oil will bombard that spot and cool it. I know this sounds far too simple. keep in mind not just the clutch but every moving part in your bike is making heat. I am also fully aware the reason why someone would be skeptical. I appreciate all honest skeptisism. I can get much more technical but I prefer not to that here it takes too long.You will find in many posts on may sites that I have allways stated the only major variable you will see while using two2cool is how hot you are getting your engines oil the begin with.
(4)quote:
There are alot of claims I havent made yet. Some will seem much more outrageous. I try and let them out in dribbles especially when engineers are involved.
(5)quote:
Two2cool helps keep an oils viscosity stable. 75% of its makeup is a high quality carrier(oil). An oils viscosity lowers as temps rises. When oils get as hot is does in many motocross/woods bikes it lowers dramatically. How fast it does this and how much it lowers depends on the type of oil you are using and how much heat you are actually making. Oil treated with two2cool doesnt get as hot or get hot as fast so it helps keep the viscosity more stable.
Oil treated with two2cool helps with lubrication. Understanding that oil is being repelled from engine heat(hasnt been disputed here) when treated with two2cool its attracted to engine heat. This helps keep oil where it needs to be. Every gear to gear contact, the clutch, or any friction causing part of your engine naturally repells oil. When using two2cool it helps keep more oil in on,around and between these parts. Also it helps with shear and helps to make an oils additives last longer.
anyway, i tried to summarize many many many pages of the original thread (click here if you have nothing to do for about 10 minutes) so that you could get the gist of things.quote:
If anyone has the need to know tech. info about two2cool or more about how it works I would be more than happy to do so on the phone. I appoligize for not being a good typer. It would take forever to type all that tech. stuff.
You may call me at 863 357 3400 and do so collect. Or send me a contact #, a good time and I will call you.
anyway, my questions all revolve around whether anyone has evaluated this, used this, or tested this, and what were the findings?
thanks
jim / wrooster