New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40

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It's using a more traditional additive package - good amount of Ca and ZDP
 
.. and today we have a new AEL a bit modified as well... ;-) worse Noack but better for winter and maybe MPG ;-)

The new AFL seems to be the same with a new label and API SN + Dexos2.
 
So, it seems the new EMF 5w-40 is like an OE Euro oil. That really confuses already confusing Euro spec oils.
 
Originally Posted By: jkhawaii
So, it seems the new EMF 5w-40 is like an OE Euro oil. That really confuses already confusing Euro spec oils.


Not so confusing. Give better coverage for applications that don't need a low SAPS oil.
 
I think it's a bit confusing. The differences between OE, XL, Signature and Z-rod is easy to understand, and the racing oil. There is now 2 5w40 Euro oils, and the Cheaper one says it is Full SAPS (full sounds like it is better than Mid and most people do not know what SAPS means or what SAPS level they need) So, Full is more than Mid, sound better right? Wait, it's Cheaper? So, I do believe it is a bit more confusing.
 
Originally Posted By: jkhawaii
There is now 2 5w40 Euro oils, and the Cheaper one says it is Full SAPS (full sounds like it is better than Mid and most people do not know what SAPS means or what SAPS level they need) So, Full is more than Mid, sound better right? Wait, it's Cheaper? So, I do believe it is a bit more confusing.

The people who buy these two oils are Euro car owners. They will choose based on the particular OEM specification that each of these oils meets and not based on the word "full" or "mid" anyway.

How would name the two to make it less confusing?
 
Maybe it is more about an area of protection not a level:
AFL - engine + TWC/DPF (cars MY 2006-> ?)
EFM - engine mainly where TWC/DPF is not present so saps limit not so critical?

Both may deliver similar level of engine protection and deposit control but in different way - different formula.

Additional expensive equipment like TWC/DPF needs more expensive oil ;-)

Am I right Pablo?
 
Old label AFL VS new label AFL

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 13.7/SAME
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 82.2/82.9
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270) 171/171
Viscosity CCS, cP @ °C (ASTM D-5293) 5171/5314 (-30)
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 230 (446)/228 (442)
Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 248 (478)/244 (471)
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97) -43 (-45)/SAME
Noack Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (ASTM D-5800) 8.9/7.4
Four Ball Wear Test (ASTM D-4172B @ 40 kg, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr), Scar, mm 0.44/SAME
Total Base Number 8.0/SAME
HTHS (cP) (ASTM D-4683) 3.8/SAME
 
Originally Posted By: wlyszkow
Maybe it is more about an area of protection not a level:
AFL - engine + TWC/DPF (cars MY 2006-> ?)
EFM - engine mainly where TWC/DPF is not present so saps limit not so critical?

Both may deliver similar level of engine protection and deposit control but in different way - different formula.

Additional expensive equipment like TWC/DPF needs more expensive oil ;-)

Am I right Pablo?

Not all TWC need mid-SAPS, in fact most of them don't.
Just like VW 505.01 oils that switched from full to mid saps with no DPF to protect...for that same TWC reason I reckon.
It's a pity Amsoil missed the opportunity to include VW 505.01 in their full-SAPS 5W-40. More zinc is needed there.
 
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I have done 40.000 K,s on this oil in my 2007 Jeep grand Cherokee CRD The odometer is at 240,000
I have added a provent 200 and had a green diesel flash tune added mainly to turn of the EGR did use a bit of oil probably 3 litres in that 40,000 had 3 changes in that distance as well
I change the oil and filter every 15,000 k,s the book recommend every 20,000 I personally feel that's a bit long dropped it to 15,000 k,s about due for another change might try a 10w40 this time no need for thin oil
Where I live the coldest it gets is 10 degrees Celsius and that would be at 3 o'clock in the morning by the time I wake up and get driving its already 18 to 20 degrees so personally don't think the lighter viscosity for cold starts is necessary after posting on the forum before asking this question
 
I saw a couple people were interested in a VOA. I posted it in another thread but figured I would post it here too.

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I have been using the Amsoil 5W-40 full saps European in my
'14 SRT jeep Grand Cherokee and have been quite happy with it.
First few oil changes I used the SRT recommended Penzoil Ultra
0W-40. As I have an oil catch can to protect the throttle
body from gunking up from recycling sump gases I noticed when
emptying the oil catch can that it contained a yellow paste, butter
like rather than oil. Since I have gone to the Amsoil this has
gone back to normal oil in the catch can. I have not done a UA
as the car has less then 10k but next change I will do a UA
and see how it holds up. I change twice a year with a Amsoil
filter. The engine seems quite happy with this oil and is
quite quiet when I'm not into it's 470hp. (G) If there are any
issues with the UA I will report it here.
Craig L
 
Originally Posted By: Craig
I have been using the Amsoil 5W-40 full saps European in my
'14 SRT jeep Grand Cherokee and have been quite happy with it.
First few oil changes I used the SRT recommended Penzoil Ultra
0W-40. As I have an oil catch can to protect the throttle
body from gunking up from recycling sump gases I noticed when
emptying the oil catch can that it contained a yellow paste, butter
like rather than oil. Since I have gone to the Amsoil this has
gone back to normal oil in the catch can. I have not done a UA
as the car has less then 10k but next change I will do a UA
and see how it holds up. I change twice a year with a Amsoil
filter. The engine seems quite happy with this oil and is
quite quiet when I'm not into it's 470hp. (G) If there are any
issues with the UA I will report it here.
Craig L
With the rather decent sump size it is surprising the PU 0w-40 did not hold that well (as per your oil catch can observations). Do you feel that the 0w-40 was cooking out the yellow paste while this 5w-40 from Amsoil is a more robust formulation, specifically because it is a 5w-40 full saps motor oil?
And what were your oil drain intervals with the Penzoil Ultra?
 
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