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#2773737 - 10/15/12 07:50 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: BTLew81]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Guys - here's the link:

Amsoil EFM 5W-40

PC Price is $5.70/qt, 5 liter bottle is $30.00.

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#2773756 - 10/15/12 08:16 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 10/23/06
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Wow...with a price like that, this is most likely my next oil. That's about the same as I pay for M1 on sale, and I have complete confidence this will work nicely in my application. Very good play, Amsoil.
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#2773991 - 10/16/12 05:42 AM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
wlyszkow Offline


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VOA wanted ;-)
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#2774105 - 10/16/12 09:03 AM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: wlyszkow]
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Originally Posted By: wlyszkow
VOA wanted ;-)

+1

Popieram. smile
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#2774479 - 10/16/12 02:49 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
BTLew81 Offline


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If I get some I'll try and do a VOA on it.
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#2774482 - 10/16/12 02:52 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
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It's using a more traditional additive package - good amount of Ca and ZDP
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#2777800 - 10/19/12 06:27 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
wlyszkow Offline


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.. and today we have a new AEL a bit modified as well... ;-) worse Noack but better for winter and maybe MPG ;-)

The new AFL seems to be the same with a new label and API SN + Dexos2.
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#2778494 - 10/20/12 04:15 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 06/03/05
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Loc: Oahu
So, it seems the new EMF 5w-40 is like an OE Euro oil. That really confuses already confusing Euro spec oils.

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#2778508 - 10/20/12 04:24 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: jkhawaii]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Originally Posted By: jkhawaii
So, it seems the new EMF 5w-40 is like an OE Euro oil. That really confuses already confusing Euro spec oils.


Not so confusing. Give better coverage for applications that don't need a low SAPS oil.

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#2779162 - 10/21/12 12:51 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
jkhawaii Offline


Registered: 06/03/05
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I think it's a bit confusing. The differences between OE, XL, Signature and Z-rod is easy to understand, and the racing oil. There is now 2 5w40 Euro oils, and the Cheaper one says it is Full SAPS (full sounds like it is better than Mid and most people do not know what SAPS means or what SAPS level they need) So, Full is more than Mid, sound better right? Wait, it's Cheaper? So, I do believe it is a bit more confusing.

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#2779289 - 10/21/12 03:47 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: jkhawaii]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Originally Posted By: jkhawaii
There is now 2 5w40 Euro oils, and the Cheaper one says it is Full SAPS (full sounds like it is better than Mid and most people do not know what SAPS means or what SAPS level they need) So, Full is more than Mid, sound better right? Wait, it's Cheaper? So, I do believe it is a bit more confusing.

The people who buy these two oils are Euro car owners. They will choose based on the particular OEM specification that each of these oils meets and not based on the word "full" or "mid" anyway.

How would name the two to make it less confusing?
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#2780128 - 10/22/12 01:59 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
wlyszkow Offline


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Loc: Poland
Maybe it is more about an area of protection not a level:
AFL - engine + TWC/DPF (cars MY 2006-> ?)
EFM - engine mainly where TWC/DPF is not present so saps limit not so critical?

Both may deliver similar level of engine protection and deposit control but in different way - different formula.

Additional expensive equipment like TWC/DPF needs more expensive oil ;-)

Am I right Pablo?
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#2798506 - 11/10/12 12:19 PM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 07/17/11
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Old label AFL VS new label AFL

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 13.7/SAME
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 82.2/82.9
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270) 171/171
Viscosity CCS, cP @ C (ASTM D-5293) 5171/5314 (-30)
Flash Point C (F) (ASTM D-92) 230 (446)/228 (442)
Fire Point C (F) (ASTM D-92) 248 (478)/244 (471)
Pour Point C (F) (ASTM D-97) -43 (-45)/SAME
Noack Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (ASTM D-5800) 8.9/7.4
Four Ball Wear Test (ASTM D-4172B @ 40 kg, 75C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr), Scar, mm 0.44/SAME
Total Base Number 8.0/SAME
HTHS (cP) (ASTM D-4683) 3.8/SAME

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#2808273 - 11/20/12 08:44 AM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: Pablo]
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NOACK of 7.4 -- impressive.
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#2824465 - 12/05/12 06:25 AM Re: New Amsoil European FULL SAPS 5W-40 [Re: wlyszkow]
tudorart Offline


Registered: 07/17/11
Posts: 193
Loc: Transylvania, Romania, EU
Originally Posted By: wlyszkow
Maybe it is more about an area of protection not a level:
AFL - engine + TWC/DPF (cars MY 2006-> ?)
EFM - engine mainly where TWC/DPF is not present so saps limit not so critical?

Both may deliver similar level of engine protection and deposit control but in different way - different formula.

Additional expensive equipment like TWC/DPF needs more expensive oil ;-)

Am I right Pablo?

Not all TWC need mid-SAPS, in fact most of them don't.
Just like VW 505.01 oils that switched from full to mid saps with no DPF to protect...for that same TWC reason I reckon.
It's a pity Amsoil missed the opportunity to include VW 505.01 in their full-SAPS 5W-40. More zinc is needed there.


Edited by tudorart (12/05/12 06:26 AM)

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