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#2716863 - 08/16/12 09:29 PM Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim!
LargeCarManX2 Offline


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Bombardier Recreational Products gets the finger from Amsoil!

Bombardier or Ski-Doo and the E-Tec/Rotax engine said Amsoil and others failed the lube needs of it's engine. Amsoil states it's Warranty Secure Program will cover Amsoil and Bombardier failed to provide certain specifications asked for and also claims Bombardier tests are flawed. Amsoils new program is challenging the claim and states " Amsoils Interceptor 2 Stroke oil will keep your factory warranty intact.....
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#2716881 - 08/16/12 09:49 PM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: LargeCarManX2]
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We'll see how this turns out...
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#2716921 - 08/16/12 11:35 PM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: LargeCarManX2]
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Amsoil has to prove that their oils meet OEM spec so Bombardier or Ski-Doo will always have the upper hand. All the OEM needs to do is send out a letter to their dealers saying Amsoil does not meet spec and that would be the end of it. If you use Amsoil you will void the warranty, plain and simple.

Regardless, I still believe Amsoil is better than 80% of all the 2T oils out there and would not hesitate to use it.

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#2716999 - 08/17/12 06:09 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: azsynthetic]
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Amsoil has to prove that their oils meet OEM spec so Bombardier or Ski-Doo will always have the upper hand. All the OEM needs to do is send out a letter to their dealers saying Amsoil does not meet spec and that would be the end of it. If you use Amsoil you will void the warranty, plain and simple.

Regardless, I still believe Amsoil is better than 80% of all the 2T oils out there and would not hesitate to use it.


Not according to Amsoil....
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#2717104 - 08/17/12 09:13 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: LargeCarManX2]
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BRP just wants U to buy "their" oil. Marketing at its best simple as that.

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#2718138 - 08/18/12 12:02 PM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: azsynthetic]
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"If you use Amsoil you will void the warranty, plain and simple."

Not true according to Amsoil.

Amsoils "Warranty Secure Program" not only say's you can use their oil in this and other applications, but say's you can go past the OEM and extend to their OCI level and the OEM must prove the failure was oil related failure. This proves the same with injector or oil mixed gas applications. Amsoil will fight the OEM and then or before fix the part. It is a win-win deal if you want to use Amsoil Products.
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#2718696 - 08/18/12 10:12 PM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: LargeCarManX2]
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If the OEM denied your warranty then you have to go to Amsoil because you have no other choice. If the OEM said no to Amsoil and you run it then you did not follow the owner manual, which is the number one reason for warranty denial. Good luck with waiting for the outcome between Amsoil and the OEM while you are riding your bicycle to work.

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#2719777 - 08/20/12 12:07 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: azsynthetic]
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
If the OEM denied your warranty then you have to go to Amsoil because you have no other choice. If the OEM said no to Amsoil and you run it then you did not follow the owner manual, which is the number one reason for warranty denial. Good luck with waiting for the outcome between Amsoil and the OEM while you are riding your bicycle to work.


I believe Amsoil wants you to tell the dealer you will be doing 15K or 25K or one year OCI's. If the dealer say's they won't honor the warranty, Amsoil wants you to get it in writting. Forward the letter to Amsoil and they will contact the OEM and Straighten things out! I have read the Magnum Moss warranty act and believe Amsoil is correct with their point. In the case of gas and oil mix, the same notification can be made.
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#2719895 - 08/20/12 07:32 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: azsynthetic]
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
If the OEM denied your warranty then you have to go to Amsoil because you have no other choice. If the OEM said no to Amsoil and you run it then you did not follow the owner manual, which is the number one reason for warranty denial. Good luck with waiting for the outcome between Amsoil and the OEM while you are riding your bicycle to work.


Exactly, why hassle it? Will Amsoil back you up? I guess, maybe, yes, no, who knows for sure? I for one wouldn't want to find out the hard way. It could take a lot of time and cost money to get things sorted out. While under warranty use what the mfg recommends.
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#2721773 - 08/22/12 06:04 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: LargeCarManX2]
azsynthetic Offline


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Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2

I believe Amsoil wants you to tell the dealer you will be doing 15K or 25K or one year OCI's. If the dealer say's they won't honor the warranty, Amsoil wants you to get it in writting.


The dealer will tell you to follow the owner manual or get lost. Amsoil cannot make the dealer do anything. Believing otherwise and you will pay dearly.

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#2723479 - 08/23/12 08:11 PM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: azsynthetic]
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2

I believe Amsoil wants you to tell the dealer you will be doing 15K or 25K or one year OCI's. If the dealer say's they won't honor the warranty, Amsoil wants you to get it in writting.


The dealer will tell you to follow the owner manual or get lost. Amsoil cannot make the dealer do anything. Believing otherwise and you will pay dearly.


If the warranty issue did not involve the lube oil, the dealer would fix the problem whether Amsoil or SkiDoo oil was used? I don't believe they would tell the customer to take a hike?

If the lube oil was at fault, Amsoil would pay the repair costs! NO?

It will be interesting to see what Amsoils outcome with SkiDoo will be in the legal department. Their Warranty Secure program rests on this very case of the Subject of this post.
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#2730249 - 08/31/12 12:27 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: LargeCarManX2]
azsynthetic Offline


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Loc: Phoenix AZ
Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
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If the lube oil was at fault, Amsoil would pay the repair costs! NO?



It depends on whether Amsoil agree with the finding or not. If the dealer said the non-approved oil is the problem and Amsoil said it's the oil pump then you will have to wait for the court's verdict. Amsoil has always said to follow the owner manual so take that into consideration.

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#2746386 - 09/17/12 11:53 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: azsynthetic]
Cmarti Offline


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 438
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2

I believe Amsoil wants you to tell the dealer you will be doing 15K or 25K or one year OCI's. If the dealer say's they won't honor the warranty, Amsoil wants you to get it in writting.


The dealer will tell you to follow the owner manual or get lost. Amsoil cannot make the dealer do anything. Believing otherwise and you will pay dearly.


A US court will make the dealer honor the warranty. Congressional action (moss magnuson warranty act aftermarket/products/restraint of trade) under the Interstate Commerce Clause gives courts the power and offers consumers some protection.
The reality is who wants to deal with it. Is it [censored] that manufacturere's do this, yes....but without a class action it is a PIA on your own. The key in this specific case would be if the oil's characteristics caused or allowed damage to occur. I obssess here, but doubt oil choice is ever the cause of catastrophic failure.

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#2748761 - 09/19/12 07:52 PM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: Cmarti]
azsynthetic Offline


Registered: 06/01/07
Posts: 1232
Loc: Phoenix AZ
Originally Posted By: Cmarti

A US court will make the dealer honor the warranty.

The reality is who wants to deal with it. Is it [censored] that manufacturere's do this, yes....but without a class action it is a PIA on your own. The key in this specific case would be if the oil's characteristics caused or allowed damage to occur. I obssess here, but doubt oil choice is ever the cause of catastrophic failure.


Failure to follow the owner manual is ground for warranty denial in any US court. Check with your lawyer if you don't understand what I just said.

Many people have premature cam wear with VW PD engine even using the factory/dealer recommended oil and oil change interval. If you cannot prove that you were using VW505.01 oil then you are out of luck with a warranty claim. Read the last paragraph in the TSB below and see if you can win in court.

http://www.billswebspace.com/vw.tb.17-05-01_engine_oil_vw505.01.pdf

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#2751996 - 09/23/12 07:12 AM Re: Amsoil Challenges Ski-Doo E-Tec/Rotax Claim! [Re: ridgerunner]
irv Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 204
Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: ridgerunner
BRP just wants U to buy "their" oil. Marketing at its best simple as that.


Exactly, just trying to corner their own little oil empire forcing peeps to purchase their over inflated priced oils mad

Intersting article here, not sure if it proves it beyond a reasonable doubt though?
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g3039.pdf

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