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#2739343 - 09/10/12 06:31 AM Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber
OhioYJ Offline


Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 15
Loc: Ohio
I ran the factory fill for 1250 miles, then switched to Amsoil's 5w20, just the OE "cheaper" line of synthetic. Amsoil oil filter was used.

I expected the silicone to be high, as it's a brand new motor (bought the car new). However I'm not sure why they flagged base number?

Image version here.

Code:
Iron		  12
Chromium	   0
Nickel		   0
Aluminum	   4
Copper		  11
Lead		   0
Tin		   3
Cadmium		   0
Silver		   0
Vanadium	   0
Silicon		  50 *
Sodium		   3
Potassium	   0
Titanium	   0
Molybdenum	 117
Antimony	   0
Manganese	   1
Lithium		   0
Boron		  94
Magnesium	   8
Calcium		1991
Barium		   1
Phosphorous	 686
Zinc		 769
Fuel Dilution	  <1
Soot		<0.1
Viscosity 100C	 8.2
Base Number	3.53 *
Oxidation	  10
Nitration	   8

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#2739346 - 09/10/12 06:38 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1699
Loc: London, England
I read on the forum that Blackstone have a lower limit of 1 on TBN.

What engine is this fitted with?

We get the Caliber in UK but most have a Merc sourced diesel engine.
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#2739358 - 09/10/12 06:58 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
OhioYJ Offline


Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 15
Loc: Ohio
It's a 2.0L DOHC, I wish it was a diesel.

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#2739363 - 09/10/12 07:14 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
ABerns Offline


Registered: 08/11/10
Posts: 408
Loc: Iowa
Correct, Blackstone says a TBN of 1.0 is too low. In reality, TBN is too low when it equals TAN, I believe -- aka the amount of base left is just enough to neutralize the acid in the oil. Below this point, the oil becomes acidic.

I would guess its flagged as yellow just because it is getting lower. The point at which it becomes red may still be 1.0 for this company, too.

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#2739372 - 09/10/12 07:38 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12782
Loc: UT
This UOA is NOT blackstone.

Who did it?

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#2739373 - 09/10/12 07:39 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: ABerns]
motor_oil_madman Offline


Registered: 11/29/09
Posts: 1690
Loc: Houston, Texas
blackstone says 1 is too low and others say you're not supposed to go lower than 1/3rd of the original tbn of the oil.
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#2739435 - 09/10/12 09:19 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: Bill in Utah]
OhioYJ Offline


Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 15
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
This UOA is NOT blackstone.

Who did it?


Oil Analyzers Inc. Its the kit I got from my Amsoil guy.

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#2739487 - 09/10/12 10:35 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
dnewton3 Offline



Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 5588
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
Actually, for a nearly brand-new engine, that's pretty impressive for wear metals.

As for the TBN, I don't believe it's an issue. No TAN makes it hard to understand why they flagged it.
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#2739514 - 09/10/12 11:22 AM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
jkhawaii Offline


Registered: 06/03/05
Posts: 446
Loc: Oahu
Looks great! @dnewton3. Don't some labs flag TBN when it has been reduced to less than half of starting TBN? Maybe this is one of those labs?
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#2739705 - 09/10/12 02:17 PM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29133
Loc: NJ
This is a nice UOA. The Tbn is perfectly fine, no need to worry. 1.0 is low when dealing with B/S labs.
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#2739709 - 09/10/12 02:21 PM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
dnewton3 Offline



Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 5588
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
This is not Blackstone labs. (Open the link). It's OA from Amsoil.

Regardless, TBN of 3.5 seems high for anyone to condemn, w/o knowing the TAN (which they didn't report, even if they did test it).

As for a lab condemning a lube with only 1/2 the TBN remaining, I'm not aware of such, but that doesn't mean it's not out there ... Seems like a huge waste if that were the case.
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Conventionals vs. Synthetics isn't about which is "better"; it's about which lasts longer, while assuring safe operation, in relation to cost. Any product can be over or under utilized. The same applies to filters.
Make an informed decision; first consider your operating conditions, next determine your maintenance plan, and then pick your lube and filter. Don't do it the other way around ...

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#2739825 - 09/10/12 04:24 PM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29133
Loc: NJ
Thanks, you're right.
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#2739830 - 09/10/12 04:26 PM Re: Amsoil OE 5w20, 4083 Miles, Dodge Caliber [Re: OhioYJ]
ltslimjim Offline


Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5143
Loc: PL&F
So, the condemnation with this lab's test method is the higher side of 2.5ish compared to the method Blackstone uses?
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