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#2727823 - 08/28/12 02:54 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
tig1 Offline

Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 10646
Loc: Illinois
I have a friend which I have mentioned here before that does 15-20+K OCIs with his 99 Silverado. I saw him recently and he now has around 325K on his truck. Valve covers have never been removed. The engine still sounds great and uses very little oil. He has used nothing but M1 5-30 from day one, and he bought it new. Oh, he has never done a UOA. Also I see all this hand ringing here over TBN. As I have said many times, TBN is way over rated here. People like my fried and the OP prove it doesn't have much to do with the longivity of an engine. Also our own"FISSKER" does 15-20K on M1 0-20 and puts upward of 300K on 4 cyl Fords.

Edited by tig1 (08/28/12 02:58 PM)
2007 Ford Fusion 165,000 miles
M1 0-20 AFE
2007 Ford Focus 145,000 miles
M1 0-20 AFE
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

#2729019 - 08/29/12 05:44 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
fdcg27 Offline

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 11086
Loc: OH
This looks great for the miles run.
It would look good at half the miles run, although you'd then see comments about M1 and high iron.
TBN is long gone, but it didn't seem to make any difference.
Maybe tig is on to something with M1 after all.
The only concern here is the Potassium.
Sodium was dramatically lower on this run from the last, and M1 does not contain sodium, although trace amounts might be found.
Head gasket leak?
If so, it isn't bad and isn't getting rapaidly worse.
12 Accord LX 36K PP 0W-20
09 Forester 67K PU 5W-30
02 Accord 144K GOil 5W-30
01 Focus ZX3 112K M1 5W-20
95 BMW 318iC 150K Defy 10W-40

#2729733 - 08/30/12 01:22 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
SLCraig Offline

Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 5397
Loc: London, ON, Canada
Astonishing.. Old school thinking blown out the window right there. Many people still believe 3-5K OCI's or bust. Clearly you can go much further, but this is beyond what I am even referring to. 10K on M1 is a piece of cake clearly. (in this app at least)
2010 Civic SI sedan 6MT
PP 5w30 | Napa Gold | Pennzoil MTF

#2730509 - 08/31/12 09:44 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
AITG Offline

Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 355
Loc: USA
PLEASE take a minute to read
It makes the file so much easier to read. (Don't feel bad - I learned the hard way, too).

#2732561 - 09/02/12 12:18 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
friendly_jacek Offline

Registered: 05/04/03
Posts: 6303
Loc: southeast US
Great results, thanks for posting.

Is this mobil 1 or mobil 1 ep?

#2733093 - 09/03/12 12:15 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: friendly_jacek]
irontom Offline

Registered: 08/26/12
Posts: 4
Loc: ca
Mobil 1 EP 5W/30

#2733267 - 09/03/12 08:52 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: FZ1]
simple_gifts Offline

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 10162
Loc: Middlesex County CT
Wow. I'm amazed not only by the UOA, but by the fact FZ1 didn't say the OP ran it too long....

I am assuming warm weather car? Socal?

Edited by simple_gifts (09/03/12 08:54 AM)
2003 Echo >374K miles; ST 20w-50 and some #132
2006 B2300;97K;ALM

New Zealand; Australia's Australia

#2733278 - 09/03/12 09:01 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
buster Offline

Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29658
Loc: NJ
Looks like the SN stuff is more than capable of long extended drains despite having a newer, low SAP additive/detergent system. XOM has always claimed to testing their oils out to 25,000 miles.

"Thanks for your message, Mike. We appreciate the feedback. A slight reduction in ash is desirable for advanced engine technology such as gasoline direct injection (GDI) engine and passenger car diesel engines. With GDI engines, higher levels of ash appear to result in a higher occurrence of Low Speed Pre-Ignition. The industry is currently developing tests and specifications to address Low Speed Pre-Ignition. In the future, passenger car engine oil specifications such as ILSAC GF-6 and dexos1 (next generation) are likely to have requirements such as lower ash to address Low Speed Pre-Ignition.

As for TBN retention, it is only a single parameter that provides an indication of the used oil condition. A reduction in TBN is an indication that the overbased detergent is doing its job by neutralizing acids that form as a result of combustion. TBN should be used in combination with other used oil parameters such as oxidation, nitration, TAN (Total Acid Number), ICP metals, D4684 MRV viscosity, and D445 kinematic viscosity to determine the overall condition of the used oil.

Finally, in our experience in severe-service Las Vegas field testing, Mobil 1 engine oil TBN levels typically do not drop below 2 for vehicles with 15,000 mile oil drain intervals. Furthermore, it is our experience that those oils tend not to drop any lower when we continue to 20,000 mile oil drains.

We hope this information was both helpful and informative. Thanks again for reaching out, and for your continued support of Mobil 1."

This is one reason why higher levels of TBN’s can mislead you into thinking it is better when in fact all it is stating is that it has higher levels of detergents to keep the engine clean but the base oil can oxidize(or breakdown) faster than one with higher levels of antioxidants which prevents the acids by neutralizing the attacking acids as oppose to cleaning up the by products of the oxidized oil.

You rarely, if ever, see a M1 oil thicken out of grade.

#2734064 - 09/04/12 04:44 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: buster]
pitzel Offline

Registered: 09/13/04
Posts: 1428
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
Great report. I'm hitting the 35k mile mark on XD-3 0W-30 pretty soon, so its good to see that there's others who are into long drains instead of paranoia as well. This report basically repeats something that many of us have known for years -- that in some cases, the 5k, or even 10k oil changes are a complete waste of money.
Change your thinking...not your oil!

#2738631 - 09/09/12 07:51 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: pitzel]
bigjl Offline

Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1738
Loc: London, England
This is the kind of info is why I have signed up to this forum.

My wifes daily driver is a late 2006 Renault Clio 1.5 DCi, it has a manufacturers oil change interval of 12k miles in normal service, my wife does some stop start but normally off peak times and little traffic congestion, little highway, mostly country roads and some urban suburbs.

Bought at 28k miles it had been serviced at 9k and 19k, annual service rather than by mileage, when bought it had Elf 10w40 Full Synth in it, which I repeated at purchase/28k then I changed over to Mobil 1 0W40 Turbo Diesel at 35k.

I then continues at 8/9k intervals. But going by these results I think I should be doing a UOA at 9k miles and see how far it will safely run.

I have always been a fan of Mobil 1, it is very popular in the UK.

I think with UOA I could probably safely extend my usage, hopefully to one change a year, she does around 18k a year, one change a year would save time and money.

Car has 92k miles atm, intend to give it to my daughter in four years to go to University and want it to last.
10 BMW 116D SE 110k miles Full BMW Hx
12 Jaguar XJL 3.0 D Luxury 132k 5w30 Shell AF-L

#2738751 - 09/09/12 10:29 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
hemitom Offline

Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 768
Loc: canada
Curious as to how much top oil was used ? seems to be an outstanding report for a 200000 mile engine.
2006 kia spectra
2006 chrysler 300 (gone to mopar heaven)
2007 hyundai sonata

#2739489 - 09/10/12 10:37 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe 201,294 Mobil 1 10W/30 27,900 M [Re: irontom]
webfors Offline

Registered: 06/06/06
Posts: 4283
Loc: Great White North.. eh
Nice report! I definitely drain my oil too early. Next OCI before winter will be M1 0w30 with a Fram XG. I might run that out this time... well to 10k miles anyway smile
15 Honda Civic, AFE 0w20, FU OF
13 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Purolator OF
13 Suzuki SFV650, T6 5w40, OEM OF
All small engines; RT5 10w30

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