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#2691687 - 07/22/12 12:31 PM Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched
dparm Offline


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Pretty sweet video but it doesn't reveal much about the product. Joey at Motul USA had been talking about this for a while.

An article that details the launch:
Launch in Sri Lanka







As you can see, they've added 0w15 and 0w40.

They're also adding an anti-tamper seal with a serial number you can verify online. Perhaps they've had problems with counterfeiting.


I'm not 100% certain what was changed based on this statement:

Motul’s R&D department focused on new formulations, placing esters at the center of its strategy, combining the latest 100% Motul base oil and new additive package. This complex and performing combination is held in each lubricant under the name of Ester Core ® technology, an evolving technology based on the Esters harnessing for over 40 years.

Here are the specs for the new "Trophy" 0w40:
Density: 0.848
KV @ 40C: 75.7
KV @ 100C: 13.6
HTHS: 3.9
VI: 186
Pour: -51 C / -60 F
Flash: 222 C / 432 F
TBN: 8.25

Here are the specs for the new "Sprint" 0w15:
Density: 0.838
KV @ 40C: 23.3
KV @ 100C: 5.1
HTHS: 2.0
VI: 155
Pour: -60 C / -76 F
Flash: 230 C / 446 F
TBN: 7.97




They also posted up an interesting graphic showing oil pressure when 300V Ester Core was used at LeMans this year:

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#2691699 - 07/22/12 12:44 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
dparm Offline


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Additionally, some of the other datasheets have been updated.

For some reason they all show TBN of 8.25 (except the 0w15 and 5w30 which are 7.97). This is a drop from the normal 10-12 range.

Some are seeing a drop in VI and HTHS, while others have seen them go up. Then again, these are just specifications and the real proof is in the pudding.




High-RPM 0w20
(VI has dropped, but HTHS has risen)
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/51781/300V%20High%20RPM%200W-20%20(GB).pdf?1329125318


Power Racing 5w30
(HTHS is down slightly, VI is up slightly)
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/51784/300V_Power_Racing_5W-30_(GB).pdf?1339171623


Power 5w40
(HTHS is down to 4.1)
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/51783/300V%20Power%205W-40%20(GB).pdf?1329125425


Chrono 10w40
(VI has dropped, but HTHS has risen)
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/51779/300V%20Chrono%2010W-40%20(GB).pdf?1329125493


Competition 15w50
(VI is up, HTHS is unchanged)
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/51780/300V%20Competition%2015W-50%20(GB).pdf?1329125523


LeMans 20w60
(VI is up, HTHS is down)
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/51780/300V%20Competition%2015W-50%20(GB).pdf?1329125523
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#2691709 - 07/22/12 12:55 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
dparm Offline


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The specs for that Trophy 0w40 are the best I've ever seen for a 0w40. They have the same KV values as Mobil 1 0w40 but with a higher HTHS. This should make it even more shear-resistant.

While Redline 0w40 still has a higher VI, it is also thicker with higher KV values and HTHS of 4.0. The same can be said for Liqui-Moly Synthoil Energy 0w40 which has higher KV values but HTHS of only 3.6.
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#2691784 - 07/22/12 02:26 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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dparm, thanks for posting this.
Nice to see an oil lighter than the 0W-20 with the addition of a 0W-15; though disappointed in the VI of only 155. That means it's heavier than Sustina 0W-20 at 0C although it is 10% lighter at room temp's.

Don't like the VI drop in the 0W-20 or the higher HTHSV.

They need a 0W-30 although the lower HTHSV and higher VI of the 5W-30 is a nice improvement.

Yes the long awaited 0W-40 is a nice addition with it's respectable 186 VI. A bit heavier than the SN M1 0W-40 and lighter than RL 0W-40 although not likely noticeably due to the higher 197 VI of RL.

Nice to see a more reasonable 4.1cP HTHSV for the 5W-40 grade. Never did believe the previous 4.5cP figure.
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#2691871 - 07/22/12 04:06 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: CATERHAM]
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
dparm, thanks for posting this.
Nice to see a more reasonable 4.1cP HTHSV for the 5W-40 grade.

Density used to be at .89 (pretty regular for an ester) before and now is down to .86.

Why would that be?
I think it's a combination of thinner base (hence the pour point down from 36 to 45) and much more polymers hence the lower HTHS.
The ester % is probably less than 50% (just like on the previous one)...I have to find the MSDS...unless someone here has it.

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#2691935 - 07/22/12 05:19 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
tudorart Offline


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Originally Posted By: dparm
The specs for that Trophy 0w40 are the best I've ever seen for a 0w40. They have the same KV values as Mobil 1 0w40 but with a higher HTHS. This should make it even more shear-resistant.

While Redline 0w40 still has a higher VI, it is also thicker with higher KV values and HTHS of 4.0. The same can be said for Liqui-Moly Synthoil Energy 0w40 which has higher KV values but HTHS of only 3.6.


Thanks for posting all this. Is there a way we can get some safety data sheets? I can't find the website you got this from. In which country/website was it launched ?

Red Line also has a better pour point.

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#2691943 - 07/22/12 05:30 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: tudorart]
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Pour point is of virtually no importance other than trying to determine base oil make-up and is a misleading spec' at best. Yes RL has very low PPs but their oils do not have especially low MRV stat's at all and are not good extreme cold performers.
Of course this is usually totally academic in a high performance oil.
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#2691949 - 07/22/12 05:36 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Yes, glad I still have some OLD, higher V.I. formula 0W-20 left. wink

Joey kept on saying the 0W-40 would be available here by 8/1 or so.
Is the U.S. release/availability still on schedule for that date??
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#2691965 - 07/22/12 05:53 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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I actually emailed a few of the sources I've bought from in the past to find out.
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#2691981 - 07/22/12 06:06 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: CATERHAM]
tudorart Offline


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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Pour point is of virtually no importance other than trying to determine base oil make-up and is a misleading spec' at best. Yes RL has very low PPs but their oils do not have especially low MRV stat's at all and are not good extreme cold performers.
Of course this is usually totally academic in a high performance oil.

I totally agree. I mentioned for the sake of base oil debate:
diester vs polyolester :-) even though I think Motuls's PP is due to grIII base in there.
I personally like the lower TBN...
They sure get very close to RedLine specs.

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#2692024 - 07/22/12 06:40 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: tudorart]
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You think 300V uses GP III oils? I don't know but would be very surprised if they did in their top line race oil.
PP is not a reliable indicator of the quality of the base oils used. NOACK is but Motul doesn't give volatility figures IIRC.
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#2692047 - 07/22/12 07:04 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Group III might be a carrier for additives. I doubt it's in any significant quantity.

For some reason the MSDS sheet on their website keeps redirecting me to the homepage.
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#2692085 - 07/22/12 07:53 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
Group III might be a carrier for additives. I doubt it's in any significant quantity.

For some reason the MSDS sheet on their website keeps redirecting me to the homepage.



Grp III is a poor carrier so that isn't the reason. In fact Esters are very good carriers in and of themselves. I would not pay for their 0w40 over M1 0w40 anyway.
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#2692106 - 07/22/12 08:15 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Wait, which IS the good carrier group then?
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#2692225 - 07/22/12 09:40 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Just talked to a supplier, they said Ester Core probably won't be released until the regular 300V inventories are depleted.
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