Originally Posted By: yannis
Read what Lubrizol found out in pages 19-20 when a non specified older generation lubricant is used in new direct injection, gas or diesel engines:
Yannis,
Since certain time I don't have a trust in all these promotions. What cars, what oils, what conditions ? May be, if we look closer, we will find out that given engine design and its parts fabrication leave much to be desired and comparison is just a juggle ? If to face up the real things all last trends look like a plot of car and oil manufacturers under the cover of a pressure from the side of environmentalists. I would not be surprised if the latters are in the game too. The progress is finished with Euro3. Euro3 was justified. But then car manufacturers became to live in their own world: they invent for themselves some artificial obstacles and objectives and then try to overcome the formers and reach the latters for the account of us, consumers. And oil manufacturers are happy to follow car manufacturers. They ask themelves why not if it brings money !
You gave a link to VOA of Motul X-clean in Russian. This one of VOAs ordered by the same technical center which I mentionned in my post about Japanese OEM 0ils. VOAs of Motul oils are in Part 1. I put some data into the table, so let's have a look:
Code:
X-cess X-clean LL-04
Calcium 2725 1909 1896
Magnesium 10 6 6
Boron 75 71 70
Zinc 1137 998 996
Phosphorus 980 813 811
Sulfur 0.35 0.21 0.21
I don't believe that 14% higher Zinc and 20% higher Phosphorus may really damange something. At least in properly designed and manufactured engine with a small oil burning. Well, if you take some VW engines that burn 1 liter per 1000 km, then this is another story. But let they make normal engines instead of some Lego, then they will not need low ash oils. BTW, a.m. technical center has nearly similar view based on years of its experience. Regarding diesels and ERG pipe blockage, I heard one real professional from Germany and he recommended to block the pipe just from the beginning. No harm at all - your engine will be only thankful for this. But this works only with diesels. As for DPF, this is really a disaster: for the moment it is just a very big everyday headache for end-users, but humanity has not yet understood all consequenses for the health.
Read what Lubrizol found out in pages 19-20 when a non specified older generation lubricant is used in new direct injection, gas or diesel engines:
Yannis,
Since certain time I don't have a trust in all these promotions. What cars, what oils, what conditions ? May be, if we look closer, we will find out that given engine design and its parts fabrication leave much to be desired and comparison is just a juggle ? If to face up the real things all last trends look like a plot of car and oil manufacturers under the cover of a pressure from the side of environmentalists. I would not be surprised if the latters are in the game too. The progress is finished with Euro3. Euro3 was justified. But then car manufacturers became to live in their own world: they invent for themselves some artificial obstacles and objectives and then try to overcome the formers and reach the latters for the account of us, consumers. And oil manufacturers are happy to follow car manufacturers. They ask themelves why not if it brings money !
You gave a link to VOA of Motul X-clean in Russian. This one of VOAs ordered by the same technical center which I mentionned in my post about Japanese OEM 0ils. VOAs of Motul oils are in Part 1. I put some data into the table, so let's have a look:
Code:
X-cess X-clean LL-04
Calcium 2725 1909 1896
Magnesium 10 6 6
Boron 75 71 70
Zinc 1137 998 996
Phosphorus 980 813 811
Sulfur 0.35 0.21 0.21
I don't believe that 14% higher Zinc and 20% higher Phosphorus may really damange something. At least in properly designed and manufactured engine with a small oil burning. Well, if you take some VW engines that burn 1 liter per 1000 km, then this is another story. But let they make normal engines instead of some Lego, then they will not need low ash oils. BTW, a.m. technical center has nearly similar view based on years of its experience. Regarding diesels and ERG pipe blockage, I heard one real professional from Germany and he recommended to block the pipe just from the beginning. No harm at all - your engine will be only thankful for this. But this works only with diesels. As for DPF, this is really a disaster: for the moment it is just a very big everyday headache for end-users, but humanity has not yet understood all consequenses for the health.
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