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#2615110 - 05/01/12 05:38 PM Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted
wwillson Offline

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All,

Valvoline has returned most of the answers, which we posted on the main site.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/valvoline-qa/

Thanks to the folks at Valvoline for getting this done so quickly!

Wayne

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#2615112 - 05/01/12 05:39 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Thanks for the update and that was fast! Thanks Valvoline.
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#2615121 - 05/01/12 05:49 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: dave1251]
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Thanks for the update and that was fast! Thanks Valvoline.


+1

That was good information. They get their recycled base stock from several different sources. That means recycled oil may not be a flash in the pan fad. A+++
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#2615464 - 05/02/12 12:21 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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This was an interesting reading, although some of the answers were predictable. The most interesting discovery, for me, was that MaxLife/Maxlife Nextgen are synthetic blend oils. Taking into account the stronger additive package used in the MaxLife products and that they usually cost only $2-3 more than Valvoline's conventional oils, I think that MaxLife oils are a pretty good value.

Unfortunately, no one has asked the question why is it so hard to find Maxlife Nextgen 5W20 in stores. None of the parts stores where I live carry it. According to Walmart's web site, some Walmart locations have it. However, the ones that I visit do not have it.

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#2615518 - 05/02/12 05:22 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Zako2]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Zako2
Unfortunately, no one has asked the question why is it so hard to find Maxlife Nextgen 5W20 in stores. None of the parts stores where I live carry it. According to Walmart's web site, some Walmart locations have it. However, the ones that I visit do not have it.


I think you (and I) are just prisoners of the market. While they said it's available in Canada, I have yet to see it. We're always behind the curve in that kind of thing anyway. I finally found Defy, and Nextgen shouldn't be too far behind, or I'm simply not looking hard enough.
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#2615562 - 05/02/12 07:07 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?
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#2615645 - 05/02/12 09:23 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Thank you Valvoline for following up so quickly,and professionally with our questions. Definitely going to stock up on the next-Gen 5W-20. grin
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#2615738 - 05/02/12 11:07 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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This is interesting:


Question: Valvoline NextGen Conventional and MaxLife claims containing 50% recycled oil. Is 50% a maximal, minimal, or average amount of recycled oil in NextGen? (sunfire)


Answer: 50% is the minimum amount of re-refined oil we put into each formulation.
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#2616426 - 05/02/12 09:56 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: MuzzleFlash40]
Provi Offline


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Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?


I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink
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#2616689 - 05/03/12 08:10 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Provi]
A_Harman Offline


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Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?


I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?
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#2616726 - 05/03/12 08:50 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: A_Harman]
MuzzleFlash40 Offline


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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?


I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?


Well, it turns out great UOA's all the time. So maybe this has something to do with it. Having the superior base stock and things in the add pack that won't show up on a UOA. Also could explain why it's a couple dollars more than the others. I haven't used VWB in years, maybe it's time to give it a try.
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#2616824 - 05/03/12 10:28 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: A_Harman]
Provi Offline


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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?


I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?


because it isn't 100% group III
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#2617048 - 05/03/12 01:32 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Provi]
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What I found most interesting was this answer:

Quote:
NextGen DuraBlend is currently available.


I don't see any mention of it on their website.

-Bryan
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#2617646 - 05/04/12 01:07 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Hypothetical alert:

Well, they 'could' say blend but think about it...

Most people are 'completely' ignorant on anything aside from 'oil grade'.

I mean, come on. People still are afraid of 5w-30 over 10w-30 these days, EVEN when their oil cap says 5w-30! ...and I STILL to this day see people posting on other sites the wrong information about changing oil from 'conventional' to 'synthetic' anything...being bad bad bad. It's based on fear. It's not accurate, it's "oh no oil consumption increase" without learning why. So people condemn the oil or reason changing types is wrong.

People work on 4 basic emotions. Any good company knows this and works to make people feel comfortable.

PS: Remember, their high mileage used to say blend and it still is a blend. Sort of a trend for Ashland. JMO...

PPS: Thanks, Valvoline! Next 2 oil changes on the DD are your products. grin2 banana

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Edited by ltslimjim (05/04/12 01:20 AM)
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#2617658 - 05/04/12 01:53 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: ltslimjim]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
PS: Remember, their high mileage used to say blend and it still is a blend. Sort of a trend for Ashland. JMO...


That's exactly it. You know it's a blend, regardless of the labelling. I know it, and so does everyone here. The general public obviously doesn't care or doesn't understand, since so few oils are labelled as such these days.

In any case, I've still got my eyes open for NextGen up here! Come on, Walmart, you've had great VWB sales, now bring in some NextGen at a smoking price.
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#2617757 - 05/04/12 08:01 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Provi]
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Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?


I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?


because it isn't 100% group III


But if the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses in any of their oils is GrpIII, then the rest would have to be Grp's IV & V, which would definitely make the oil synthetic.
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#2617838 - 05/04/12 10:00 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: A_Harman]
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Provi
I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?


because it isn't 100% group III [/quote]

But if the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses in any of their oils is GrpIII, then the rest would have to be Grp's IV & V, which would definitely make the oil synthetic. [/quote]

it isn't. synpower is still superior
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#2622417 - 05/09/12 04:47 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I didn't know Premuim Blue was a recycled oil.
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#2634701 - 05/24/12 01:07 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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For those of us in Canada, tonight, I saw Valvoline NetGen at Walmart. Its regular price is $3 cheaper per five litre jug than any other conventional five litre jug on the shelf, including VWB. By the litre bottle, it's about $1.50 cheaper per litre.
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#2635026 - 05/24/12 01:18 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Any information on when the individuals who asked questions will be receiving their mail-in rebate via email?
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#2636093 - 05/25/12 04:45 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Tortuga]
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Sweet! Just got my rebate offer email!
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#2636182 - 05/25/12 06:41 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: 3311]
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Originally Posted By: 3311
I didn't know Premuim Blue was a recycled oil.
Is Valvoline going to make a NextGen diesel-specific oil? My VIOC guy says it's coming, no sign of it yet?
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#2637023 - 05/26/12 07:37 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I have't received mine yet--been checking inbox and junk mail daily. I'll be looking especially closely now. Is there a return site to Valvoline to contact if mine doesn't come?

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#2637157 - 05/26/12 10:15 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I didn't receive mine either, like to know how to contact Valvoline about this too.
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#2640014 - 05/30/12 08:15 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Just got mine thru WWilson. Hope you got yours, HTSS TR.
You can print it from your messages in "my Stuff"

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#2644919 - 06/04/12 03:44 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Garak]
ib516 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Zako2
Unfortunately, no one has asked the question why is it so hard to find Maxlife Nextgen 5W20 in stores. None of the parts stores where I live carry it. According to Walmart's web site, some Walmart locations have it. However, the ones that I visit do not have it.


I think you (and I) are just prisoners of the market. While they said it's available in Canada, I have yet to see it. We're always behind the curve in that kind of thing anyway. I finally found Defy, and Nextgen shouldn't be too far behind, or I'm simply not looking hard enough.

It's on the shelf at the Vic East Wal*Mart.
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#2645173 - 06/04/12 08:27 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: ib516]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: ib516
It's on the shelf at the Vic East Wal*Mart.


Yep! Coincidentally, I mentioned in another thread I had found it, and that's where it was. And, it's cheaper than VWB and all the other regularly priced conventionals there (other than Super Tech, I suppose).
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#2666932 - 06/27/12 04:59 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I mailed in my rebate form for 5 qts NextGen on June 1. It is not noted in the Valvoline tracker site. Other rebates have been returned in 2 weeks--this over a month. The cash rebate of up to $30. The lady I talked to at the tracker site knew nothing about this rebate. I had her pull up the NextGen Q & A site on BITOG and she knew nothing about it. Has anyone else had trouble getting the rebate?

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#2667303 - 06/27/12 11:13 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: blakegeo]
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Yes, I had a lot of trouble. I submitted my 30.00 rebate 7 weeks ago. Just got it, but not for the correct amount. They only sent me back 15.00 and said I had multiple submissions. I said, how so? She said you submitted 2 15.00 5 quart jugs in on the rebate. I said okay, and your point? My truck uses more than 6 quarts of oil, so I bought two 5 quart jugs since that is what they had left. Needless to say, this conversation went no where, and I got 15.00. I am done with mail in rebates. It is too much of a hassle...

I hope you get yours though.
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#2667523 - 06/28/12 08:12 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Since1941]
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Thank you for your reply. I'm going to call in a week to see if some knows of the rebate. The lady I talked to, as I mentioned, knew nothing about it. Did you contact Vavoline thru the Tracker site phone number at the bottom of the rebate page?

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#2667662 - 06/28/12 10:53 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: blakegeo]
Since1941 Offline


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I got the rebate center number from Valvoline Tech Support, and called them directly. I'd say both times the women I spoke with were rude. That is why I am done with the rebates. It's not worth the hassle for 15.00. Yes, saving money is good, but at first they lost my rebate stuff, and wanted me to resubmit, and then a week later they found it again. I don't know...
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#2668125 - 06/28/12 05:13 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Thank you so much, "Since 1941", for your help and response. I'll give them a call. Rude, perhaps, is better than no knowledge of the rebate from the Tracker site.--BTW-I've been here since 1941, also. Thank you, again.

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#2668288 - 06/28/12 08:23 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: blakegeo]
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No problem man! I hope you get it sorted out..

Cheers
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#2668709 - 06/29/12 09:49 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Sorry to hear about the rudeness. Not very professional.
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#2670217 - 07/01/12 02:18 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Yeah, the good thing is most calls can be monitored for QA/QC. thumbsup

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#2675393 - 07/06/12 06:06 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I'm surprised no one asked if the base oil derived from the recycled motor oil is Group II or Group I. duh
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#2697978 - 07/28/12 01:02 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Finally got my rebate check in the mail. I think that's all the rebates I go for a long time.

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#2713065 - 08/13/12 07:01 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I've been reading this thread to find out if the oil is any good because Advance Auto is running a mail in rebate for $20.00 on the 5.1 Qt jug or 5 individual Qts. I went and picked up a jug for $21.xx with tax. I hope my rebate experience isn't as troublesome as what others on here have had.

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#2722405 - 08/22/12 05:59 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: gatorrx]
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I got my BITOG Q&A rebate check for the full amount I paid for the Nextgen Maxlife 10W-40 I bought quickly.
I've gotten every Nextgen rebate I've submitted, including two AZ gift cards and four AMEX gift cards from AAP.
Is the oil any good?
Check the UOA forum for the 4K run I did in my old BMW on Nextgen Maxlife 10W-40.
I was pleased.
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#2722421 - 08/22/12 06:10 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: G-MAN]
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I'm surprised no one asked if the base oil derived from the recycled motor oil is Group II or Group I. duh


Tried asking what group oils they use and they beat around the bush and couldn't revealed that info.

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#2722425 - 08/22/12 06:13 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: volk06]
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Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I'm surprised no one asked if the base oil derived from the recycled motor oil is Group II or Group I. duh


Tried asking what group oils they use and they beat around the bush and couldn't revealed that info.


Just like XOM with their M1 product.
Based upon the Nextgen oils' API spec, it is a Grp II.
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#2722528 - 08/22/12 08:41 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I'm surprised no one asked if the base oil derived from the recycled motor oil is Group II or Group I. duh


Tried asking what group oils they use and they beat around the bush and couldn't revealed that info.


Just like XOM with their M1 product.
Based upon the Nextgen oils' API spec, it is a Grp II.


Question. Just because it's API SN, how does that mean its a groupII?

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#2722543 - 08/22/12 08:51 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: volk06]
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Based off some reading I did some time ago, I don't think that a group I base oil could be used to meet API SN.

With that said, the original basestock could have been group I before it was re-refined by valvoline (or whoever re-refines it if not done by valvoline), but I don't think they use any group I in the final nextgen product.

Hopefully someone will step in and correct me if I am wrong, merely my opinion based off light reading.

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#2722714 - 08/23/12 06:11 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: sxg6]
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Originally Posted By: sxg6
Hopefully someone will step in and correct me if I am wrong, merely my opinion based off light reading.


No, I was confused, too, but that clarified it. With your mention of M1, I was thinking you meant that API SN implied it couldn't be Group III or IV or V or something like that. wink
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#2730963 - 08/31/12 05:29 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Quote:
The re-refined base oils that are used in Valvoline NextGen products are sourced from our strategic suppliers, who acquire their used oils from varieties of sources.



This blanket statement was used a lot in the answers to different questions.
Guess they don't want to say, can't understand why they don't just say so.
Mumbo Jumbo IMHO.
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#2737910 - 09/08/12 07:55 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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i send an email to valvoline but i didnt get an answer..
is this oil a Griv PAO?
http://www.valvolineeurope.com/english/products/engine_oils/synpower/cid(805)/synpower_5w-40/product-information?category=cars

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#2754057 - 09/25/12 09:27 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I appreciated the Q&A.

I did find it interesting that they claimed MaxLife & NextGen MaxLife were formulated exactly the same.

However, the PDS do show slight differences in viscosity and flash points, etc. between the two.

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#2754134 - 09/25/12 10:32 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Ayrton]
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Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I did find it interesting that they claimed MaxLife & NextGen MaxLife were formulated exactly the same.

However, the PDS do show slight differences in viscosity and flash points, etc. between the two.


The way I was reading their answers, they were saying that the additive packages were the same. But we know that MaxLife still has a higher TBN and slightly higher viscosity.
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#2801561 - 11/13/12 03:58 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Zako2]
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Oddly enough Valvoline oils are for sale in Germany, although they are not as popular as Mobil, who are in 3rd place behind Liqui Moly and Castrol. Castrol was in 1st place a few years back, but their top quality oils are too expensive in comparison with LM.
Germany is of some interest as regards better quality engine oils because of the adherence to the manufacturers long recommended or maximum limit OCI's in combination with some drivers using the autobahn system in the early hours that use what is max continous power for hours on end.

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#2802014 - 11/14/12 12:25 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: A_Harman]
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?



I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?


Which group 3 terminolgy are you using? If you use the German system G3 means it is an HC synthetic or synthetic technology oil in German and they label HC oils as fully synthetic in the US or UK. If you use the US four group system then a G3 is a part synthetic or blend. There should be an international standard but thanks to Castrol and their US marketing lawyers it is not going to be the more definitive German system. I look up US or UK oils on German Fleabay or dot de web sites just to find out what they really are in synthetic terms.
If an oil is an HC one it can be very good or not so very, as some mid East rubbish has recently turned up on Fleabay that was tested and found to be slightly out of spec and lacking in additives even though it was an HC oil. The main reason it was out of SAE spec was basestock related (It would have evapourated rather too fast as it was intended for Russian trucks as a winter oil). The major brands produce good HC oils but not some of the other HC producers, so I regard oil quality rather than actual group label as very important.


Edited by skyship (11/14/12 12:30 AM)

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#2802017 - 11/14/12 12:38 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: skyship]
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Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
"While Valvoline’s formulations are a trade secret Valvoline has at its disposal, Group III, Group III+, Group IV (PAO) and various Group V base oils and we use these as appropriate to meet our high standards."

So is VWB a group III base stock since they don't mention anything about group II a group II+. Wouldn't that put VWB at a higher quality level than even PYB with it's group II+ base stock?


I can't provide my source but there may or may not be truth to this statement wink


I'm having a hard time believing that the lowest base stock that Valvoline uses is Group III. If so, why don't they label all of their oils synthetic?


Which group 3 terminolgy are you using? If you use the German system G3 means it is an HC synthetic or synthetic technology oil in German and they
label HC oils as fully synthetic in the US or UK. If you use the US four group system then a G3 is a part synthetic or blend. There should be an international standard but thanks to Castrol and their US marketing lawyers it is not going to be the more definitive German system. I look up US or UK oils on German Fleabay or dot de web sites just to find out what they really are in synthetic terms.
If an oil is an HC one it can be very good or not so very, as some mid East rubbish has recently turned up on Fleabay that was tested and found to be slightly out of spec and lacking in additives even though it was an HC oil. The
main reason it was out of SAE spec was basestock related (It would have evapourated rather too fast as it was intended for Russian trucks as a winter oil). The major brands produce good HC oils but not some of the other HC producers, so I regard oil quality rather than actual group label as very important.

Really? What brand or label was this inferior oil. Was it stamped approved or does it state meets or exceeds? Who bottled it?Was it available in NA or only in Russia? Where exactly do you get this info or is it some kind of cloak and dagger type stuff?
I've been a member here for a couple of years now and I have to say that you have brought to light some pretty interesting info. From oil filters made from unobtanium and only made for Volvo,or talking with oil filter lawyers,you must really get around in that plane.
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#2802611 - 11/14/12 04:24 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Clevy]
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That link was posted on this forum. It was a Suadi oil brand that was initially sold to there for use in cars, but then turned up on E bay in Germany. Some chap sent it for a VOA and it appeared to be some kind of truck oil designed for use in winter. It was listed as a 5/40 but was in fact about a 15/40 and had a weird readings that would have resulted in high losses due to evaporation when hot.
The chaps selling it for cars in a hot country had a great business plan because it was good enough not to have damaged an engine for a few years, BUT would have resulted in the need for frequent top ups, so they would have sold even more.
These scams go on all the time, rather like the funny Heinze ketchup factory explosion in the press recently that revealed an illegal bottling plant producing perfect look alike tom sauce using red dye, flour and sugar. They forgot to cook it properly and the bottles burst in storage. You don't need to cook oil to stop the bottles going bang, so it is just a label copying game.

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#2851091 - 12/29/12 12:54 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: MuzzleFlash40]
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i have been using max life in all my dexron 3 transmissions with no problems and very high mileage on a few

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#2877284 - 01/20/13 07:13 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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my only nexgen question has always been why isnt it cheaper?

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#2877285 - 01/20/13 07:15 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Why should it be cheaper? ML is pretty cheap as it is.
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#2878565 - 01/21/13 01:48 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: edwardh1]
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Originally Posted By: edwardh1
my only nexgen question has always been why isnt it cheaper?


The was already answered in the QA session. Base stocks, recycled or virgin, have the same value on the market, and Valvoline has to buy its recycled base stock from suppliers.

This question sounds like "Since Saudi crude oil has one of the lowest production costs, why I can't buy gasoline made from Saudi crude oil at a cheaper price than gasoline made from Canadian or US produced crude oil". Or "Why isn't Mexican-built Volkswagen cheaper than German-built?" The answer is that if the end products are the same, the market will set the same price on it. The other answer is that the companies probably don't want to cheapen the image of Mexican-built VW or motor oil made from recycled oil.


Edited by Zako2 (01/21/13 01:52 AM)

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#2938625 - 03/14/13 01:32 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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As NextGen products are clearly the most environmentally-friendly, superior in formulation and in their performance, when will Valvoline be switching over all their blended PCMO products completely to Nextgen and Recycled oils?

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#3053062 - 07/02/13 09:35 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: Zako2]
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Originally Posted By: Zako2
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
my only nexgen question has always been why isnt it cheaper?


The was already answered in the QA session. Base stocks, recycled or virgin, have the same value on the market, and Valvoline has to buy its recycled base stock from suppliers.

This question sounds like "Since Saudi crude oil has one of the lowest production costs, why I can't buy gasoline made from Saudi crude oil at a cheaper price than gasoline made from Canadian or US produced crude oil". Or "Why isn't Mexican-built Volkswagen cheaper than German-built?" The answer is that if the end products are the same, the market will set the same price on it. The other answer is that the companies probably don't want to cheapen the image of Mexican-built VW or motor oil made from recycled oil.



It is a good thing that they are making the nexgen stuff but it seams like the only perk to using it is the warm fuzzy you get knowing that you are using a recycled product. If the stocks are the same and cost the same then there isn't any point other than the environmental thing. I have read some here that the additive packages might be a little different but the average consumer isn't going to know that and might not care. I would hate to see a good product like this fail because there is no perceivable advantage to it other than the environmental thing.

A lot of people are set in their ways when it comes to the products they use. I don't see a product like this changing a lot of minds if there is no price difference or something different about it that people can understand and rally behind.

That is just my two cents.

I have always used Valvoline or Napa oils. I think they make a very good product and I will continue to buy it. When my current stock of conventional oil is up I will probably use the nexgen. If they make a synthetic nexgen I would definitely use that. All of that is conditional on the Napa oil being on sale and how many years worth of stock of it I have.

(I lied about only using Valvoline. I passed up buying nexgen high mileage for ac delco semi syn. I wanted a semi syn to use for the first oil change in my wife's new traverse. After that it is getting an Ashland product.)

I hope I don't cause to much trouble on my first post.
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#3053272 - 07/03/13 05:49 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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does anybody know if NEXT GEN 15W-40 is a semi synthetic or mineral oil? some websites say mineral some say semi, anyone clarify? thanks
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#3138500 - 09/28/13 11:26 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: jhellwig]
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Originally Posted By: jhellwig

I have always used Valvoline or Napa oils. I think they make a very good product and I will continue to buy it. When my current stock of conventional oil is up I will probably use the nexgen. If they make a synthetic nexgen I would definitely use that. All of that is conditional on the Napa oil being on sale and how many years worth of stock of it I have.


And . . . I was just going through the coupon booklet AAP sent me in the mail this month, and there is a coupon for $20 NextGen Full Synthetic with K&N filter.

Sure enough, Valvoline does imply on their website that the 5W-20 and 5W-30 are indeed available in "full synthetic" : http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/full-synthetic-motor-oil/138

Originally Posted By: kalloggs40
does anybody know if NEXT GEN 15W-40 is a semi synthetic or mineral oil? some websites say mineral some say semi, anyone clarify? thanks


Not NextGen 15W-40 on their site. 10W-40 is listed in HM and conventional varieties. Looks like the only 15W-40s they sell are Premium Blue & All-Fleet Plus.

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#3138919 - 09/28/13 08:32 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I was wondering what base stock is the synthetic for nextgen

like I know Royal Purple uses a higher quality base stock then say Mobil 1,

Sorta like the lawsuit Castrol and Mobil 1 had years ago.

So what base stock is NextGen is its a base Stock III or IV or V

I think Royal Purple is IV or V

not sure, but my question is what is Valvoline NextGen Synthetic ????

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#3138939 - 09/28/13 09:00 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Nextgen Maxlife is mostly a group III base, RP is a mix of III, IV and V AFAIK.

Why are you so concerned about the base oil type? It does not solely determine how well an oil will perform since there are too many other variables in a oil blend that factor in.


Edited by Brenden (09/28/13 09:01 PM)
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#3244175 - 01/10/14 05:43 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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One question I always have is whether non NextGen has any rerefined base stock? Actually more like whether any other oil from any other brand that isn't marked as rerefined / recycled has any rerefined base stock in it?
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#3244224 - 01/10/14 06:49 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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I wonder if they are gonna answer to that issue with the motor oil test posted earlier.

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#3266687 - 02/01/14 10:04 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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Why does it appear that NextGen is being phased out? I like it, and given the same price, I'd run it over 'standard' Valvoline, really just because. Is there any costs or legal reasoning you couldn't start using the same formula in regular Valvoline oils, and if it's a marketing perception thing, just use it without labeling it as such?
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#3270344 - 02/04/14 03:05 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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^ You might want to check out the latest PQIA tests.
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#3304279 - 03/07/14 09:23 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen Q&A Answers posted [Re: wwillson]
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So . . .
Does anyone know for sure if NextGen is being phased out?

Within the past couple weeks I have seen it on clearance at AutoZone, Walmart, and Meijer.

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