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#261507 - 09/17/02 02:10 PM CD2 Engine Detergent
Anonymous
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Does anyone have any information on CD2 Engine Detergent or experience with this product? There seems to be very little information available on this product. Thanks in advance for any information.

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#261508 - 09/17/02 05:09 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
I had been wanting to look at the MSDS on the stuff fo quite a while,well I found the url which after typed in came up a Turtle Wax site,browsed around and found the product but no MSDS,I have emailed the asking for it,will post it when they reply

It said something about added cam protection so guessing in the carrier oil,not only a bunch of detergents,Probably some Zinc as well

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#261509 - 09/18/02 11:47 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Anonymous
Unregistered


dragboat, thanks for the information. I would have never thought to look for porduct data for CD2 by going to the Turtle Wax web site but when I went to their site there it was. No useful info but I also asked them for product data and if I get it I will post the info if you have not already done that. I may just use Schaeffers 131 Neutra or AutoRX but still it would be nice to know if there is a good product available on the store shelves.

[ September 19, 2002, 11:49 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]

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#261510 - 09/18/02 04:08 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Nevada, try that little coffee cup test like what I did.. If it tears up that, I'd step lightly as you have to remember, it's not just metal in a motor but also seals.

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#261511 - 09/18/02 06:42 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Frank Offline


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2164
Loc: Jacksonville Beach Fl
Please visit wwww.auto-rx.net were very proud of this web site and I value your opinion.Most people think that just a drain and a refill is all they need to do. Many of you have been very pleased with Auto-Rx in your engine, well, now consider your transmission, like always, if your not satisfied there is no charge By the way total performance gains when cleansing an engine and transmission are totaly awesome.

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#261512 - 09/19/02 12:16 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Anonymous
Unregistered


I sent the manufacturere of CD2 an email and asked for product specs (typical inspection data) or if that was not available than an MSDS sheet. Here is all the information I got from Turtle Wax about their CD2 Engine Detergent product.

Thank you for your interest in our CD-2 Oil Detergent, Stock No. 4111. As per your request, attached is the Material Safety Data Sheet for this product. Typical properties of the CD-2 Oil Detergent are:
Color and Appearance: clear dark reddish-brown liquid
Weight/Gallon: 7.22Lbs/gal.
Refractive Index: 1.4755
Viscosity@40C: 30cSt
Viscosity@100C: 5.5cSt

This is not a lot of informaion. The only thing I have learned from their reply is that CD2 is about a 10 or 20 weight viscosity and reddish-brown in color.

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#261513 - 09/22/02 09:02 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
Well at least you got a reply! I will email those guys with that info pasted and say look,if you want to sell some of this to me you will have to give me more info because I don't put just anything in my oil and see how it goes from there.Will post if they reply

I have used it before in the past,on the engine I used it on it got the oil dirty pretty darn quick!Put another bottle in it and changed filters and ran it 3k total miles,after that the oil stayed cleaner longer and quit fouling the plugs so guess it did something good

Have also used it in motors after the winter season when changing in spring for 1k right before oil change,you know how those older carbed motors will do a oil in during winter

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#261514 - 09/22/02 02:02 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
jjbula Offline


Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 479
Loc: Montgomery, AL
quote:
Originally posted by BOBISTHEOILGUY:
Nevada, try that little coffee cup test like what I did.. If it tears up that, I'd step lightly as you have to remember, it's not just metal in a motor but also seals.

I don't know chemistry very well but is a coffee cup much like the seals in an engine?

Remember that used seal test you did with Neutra and Maxlife? That seemed to be a controversial test but it might be interesting with the "coffee cup eater" additives.

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#261515 - 09/22/02 02:23 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
I understand but the point of that test is if it doesn't hammer a coffee cup, no chance of messing up any seals, wouldn't you agree?

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#261516 - 09/22/02 06:32 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
jjbula Offline


Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 479
Loc: Montgomery, AL
That makes sense. The seals should be safe if the coffee cup is unharmed.

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#261517 - 09/22/02 07:48 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
If someone has some CD2, put some in a disposable coffee cup and see if it reacts at eating it like the other two did that I tried.

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#261518 - 09/22/02 06:44 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
katsdad Offline


Registered: 08/13/02
Posts: 58
Loc: Richmond, VA
Wonder what the "harsh" cleaners would do to the cups mixed with the proper oil/cleaner ratio?

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#261519 - 09/22/02 07:23 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
I could not find the KW product in a quick search but here is the MSDS on the Gunk engine Flush:

Aliphatic Petroleum Distilate 88-92 percent
Napthenic Petroleconal Mixture 8-12 percent
Alkylsulfonate 0-1 Percent

Percent of volotiles by weight greater than 90 percent

Flash point 160 F

I don't have any hard evidence but believe the CD-2 product will not melt a foam cup.Probably a load of detergents in a carrier oil. I will stop by and get some on the way home today and see what it does to a cup,will dump the rest in the 302 Mercury that is the Family left over oil disposer these days [Razz]

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#261520 - 09/22/02 08:18 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14771
Loc: Iowegia
"...but here is the MSDS on the Gunk engine Flush:
Aliphatic Petroleum Distilate 88-92 percent
Napthenic Petroleconal Mixture 8-12 percent
Alkylsulfonate 0-1 Percent

Percent of volotiles by weight greater than 90 percent"

The first two items are light hydrocarbon solvents. The third item is a detergent normally
found in motor oils as a Detergent/Dispersant additive. Most likely, the solvents clean the carbon and the detergent/dispersant puts them into solution.

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#261521 - 09/23/02 06:29 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
Molakule hanks,while on the MSDS thing what is this and how good would it be or not be?

Aromatic Petroleum Distillate 43 percent
2 Butoxyethanol,Glycol Ether EB 10 percent
Kereosene 40 percent

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#261522 - 09/23/02 08:09 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14771
Loc: Iowegia
Dragboat,

Looks like a parts cleaner or industrial solvent. Handle carefully.

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#261523 - 09/23/02 08:30 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
Well I just posted the Amsoil Engine Flush MSDS sent to me from Amsoil [Smile]

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#261524 - 09/23/02 08:55 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
sprintman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
Now more than ever after reading the above I'll be staying with Auto-Rx. Green 'n clean

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#261525 - 10/04/02 05:10 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
dragboat Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Oklahoma
Nevada,

Viscosity@40C: 30cSt
Viscosity@100C: 5.5cSt

Hydrotreated spent lube oil (petroleum ) 70-80 wt
Residual oils,petrleum,solvent dewaxed 20-30 wt
360 F fashpoint

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#261526 - 10/05/02 04:59 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Frank Offline


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2164
Loc: Jacksonville Beach Fl
"Little Coffee Cup Seal Test" Guys, I'm sure you know that there are many chemistries that will NOT HARM SEALS. They won't cause swelling after
you have used them to clean your engine. What good is it if the seals start leaking? Perhaps because XXX Product cleaned so fast that
third party abrasives lodged behind those seals? XXX Products don't liquify anything; pieces dislodged go to the filter or the oil pan (if all goes well), the exception is seals. They have an affinity for third party abrasives which means "leaks".
Frank

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#261527 - 10/05/02 07:39 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14771
Loc: Iowegia
Same here Sprintman.

I think I'll stick with Neutra or Auto_Rx as well.

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#261528 - 10/07/02 05:53 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Anonymous
Unregistered


Thanks for all the replies! I think I will just give the Schaeffers 131 Neutra a try. I just wish that it was a little easier to find. I will order it through this website.

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#261529 - 01/18/03 09:34 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Racer X Offline


Registered: 06/17/02
Posts: 30
Loc: Champaign, IL
See this thread for my experience with CD2 Oil Detergent. Summary - my oil consumption rate in a Saturn SL2 almost doubled. So it worked, but not like I had hoped.
[Eek!] Saturn rings stuck

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#261530 - 01/20/03 08:07 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
mebanditws6 Offline


Registered: 10/07/02
Posts: 188
Loc: Evansville, In.
Katsdad,

I was wondering the same thing. Autozone is the only place I know of that sells KW Flush around here. I think I'll go buy a can of it (only $2.50) and mix it with the correct ratio of oil to flush and put it in a coffee cup like Bob said. It doesn't suprise me it ate away at the cup because there was no oil in it. KW does advertise that it is harmless to moving parts, so there might some merit to that. Other flushes I've seen didn't advertise that.

Jason

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#261531 - 01/28/03 01:23 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Rick Offline


Registered: 01/26/03
Posts: 491
Loc: Ottawa
So is it ok to use the Gunk motor flush?

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#261532 - 01/28/03 01:39 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Dr. T Offline


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2480
Probably...I used it at my last oil change. Not sure if it did anything per se. Personally though, I don't see the coffee cup analysis as being worth much as there is NO styrofoam in one's engine. Secondly, the stuff MIXES with the oil and hence, even though the chemicals may be toxic and damaging on their own, when diluted with the existing oil, they probably only "beef-up" what's already in the oil to begin with so that more extensive cleaning may occur. I think unlike auto-rx though, that you're only getting a 'surface' cleaning and/or a rinsing effect...kinda like mouthwash vs. a professional cleaning.

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#261533 - 01/30/03 10:34 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
eldawg4100 Offline


Registered: 11/30/02
Posts: 258
Loc: IL
on my first car ever i had a junky motor with high miles... lifters, or something, tapped like crazy. 2 bottles of the cd-2 stopped it (the stuff in yellow bottles claiming to quiet lifters, valves)

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#261534 - 01/30/03 06:07 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Dr. T Offline


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2480
eldawg4100, how long did you keep it in there though? It seems like the instructions are vague..."you just add to the oil when doing oil change or anytime"...but, it doens't give a proper cleaning interval.

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#261535 - 01/31/03 10:14 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
mebanditws6 Offline


Registered: 10/07/02
Posts: 188
Loc: Evansville, In.
Was it the Cd-2 that is the oil detergent stuff or the thick stuff to stop leaks and or quiet lifters?

I'm gonna go buy some CD-2 oil detergent and see what it does to a coffey cup. Will post the results later today.

Jason

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#261536 - 01/31/03 10:18 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
mebanditws6 Offline


Registered: 10/07/02
Posts: 188
Loc: Evansville, In.
Oh I almost forgot I'll also get some Rislone detergent and see what it does to the cup. The thing is though is I can't find the add anytime formula anywhere around here. I'll keep looking but so far I've been to Autozone, O'Reilly, and Wal-Mart. They only carried the 1 quart stuff. I'll go to Advanced today and see if they have it, but I doubt they will.

Jason

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#261537 - 02/02/03 02:28 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
eldawg4100 Offline


Registered: 11/30/02
Posts: 258
Loc: IL
the stuff i used was thin like marvel mystery oil. claimed to quiet noisy lifters, valves, and something else lol.

i didnt know anything about oil back then, i just added it at oil change and drove for who knows how long. that car is long gone anyways.

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#261538 - 02/02/03 07:21 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
eldawg4100 Offline


Registered: 11/30/02
Posts: 258
Loc: IL
oh, i just saw it at wal mart... cleans the rings also, that was the 3rd thing.

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#261539 - 02/04/03 09:00 PM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Rick Offline


Registered: 01/26/03
Posts: 491
Loc: Ottawa
I'm assuming that the smaller bottle of Rislone is probably more concentrated then the 1 quart bottle.
It's only an assumption, but It would only make sence. Anyone?

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#261540 - 02/10/03 06:25 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Greg Offline


Registered: 07/20/02
Posts: 371
Loc: Port Colborne, ON
i thought:

a) the solvents had to be diluted with oil, and;

b) seals are made out of rubber, nitrile, silicone, cork, etc. and not styrofoam.

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#261541 - 04/13/03 02:47 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
occimacinance Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 11
Loc: Istanbul, Turkey
I have used it for 5K kms... added to a fresh mineral 5w 30 Mobil on a V6 GM with hyd. lifters.

I'm using the same car for 5 years so I'm used to how the engine's sounds get different as the oil deteriorates. I can't say CD2 lenghten the oil's performance, but improved it during the use. (Please note that this is a personal observation without test data.)

Anyway, this stuff did not made the oil proggressively darker perceptibly as I was expecting, but it might be because of that the engine was already clean since I change oil often. Mobil -mineral, gets slightly darker after 5ooo kms, it was the same progress with CD2 during 5oookms.

Ticking noises almost gone at the idle, and engine was perceptibly more smooth/silent past 65mph (100kph) speeds. I can say it pushed the usual sound levels of the engine at specific speeds -that I got used to- at least 30kph farther.

I kept this oil-CD2 combo ~1ooo kms longer than usual, after changing it every sound came back w/o the CD2 in the sump again. On the bottle it advises: "Use at least every 2,000 miles". So, could this really be a cleaner?

I think it's main benefit might not be the cleaning eventough advertised as it (but may be the detergency). It is not thick, very liquid. Made this engine perceptibly more smooth at higher revs. and more silent at the all times. I didn't experience any oil use (and I wasn't need to add between changes.)

One of my friends (who advised me CD2) experienced the same things on a 1.6lt 4cyl European Ford.

BTW. CD2 also gives the moneyback satisfaction guarantee.

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#261542 - 04/13/03 03:28 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
unDummy Offline


Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 8756
Loc: RI
Does anyone have an engine made of coffee cups?

I drink *&^% cola and know what it does to rusty junkyard engines and don't care.

I don't think that my engine would care what some of the engine flushes do to cups!

I haven't seen styrofoam seals. I also haven't see neoprene/nitrile/rubber/silicone......coffee cups!

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#261543 - 04/13/03 05:11 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
OneQuartLow Offline


Registered: 08/23/02
Posts: 874
Loc: Pacific NW
quote:
Originally posted by unDummy:

I don't think that my engine would care what some of the engine flushes do to cups!

The seals may care. My own take is that using solvent products in doses beyond what's indicated could lead to problems, even with otherwise compatible products.

Without knowing the solvent chemistry and seal material it's a little like weighing witches to see if they're made of wood.

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#261544 - 04/14/03 04:30 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Intelman34 Offline


Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 310
Loc: Waukesha, Wisconsin
I just picked up some CD2 Engine Detergent for my girlfriends POS 1992 Pontiac Lemans (the car BARELY runs... it just needs to last a month or two longer). I think a bottle of Auto-RX is worth more than the entire car so I didnt want to put that in and waste money. A $2 bottle of CD2 hopefully will clean it a little bit. Ive been changing the oil every month and each time it comes out SUPER BLACK so I am hoping this will break more of the crap down.

The car was her fathers until he got a new Silverado. It had sat for 3 years without being run/moved and ran with that same 3 year old oil for about 9 months before I got to it. Its not a pretty sight.

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#261545 - 04/19/03 11:49 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
fields Offline


Registered: 04/11/03
Posts: 32
Loc: TX
Someone go fill a cup with gasoline, then we will all know that gasoline is bad for your car and is not to be used!

richard

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#261546 - 04/20/03 05:58 AM Re: CD2 Engine Detergent
Ray H Offline


Registered: 01/16/03
Posts: 4478
Loc: Southern California
Some gasoline gets into your sump at every cold startup (and may not be fully purged if the vehicle is not thoroughly warmed up). Think about that over 150,000 or 200,000 miles of engine life. I'm not saying you'd want to purposely put raw gasoline in your sump on a routine basis, but is it really necessary to get obsessive-compulsive over the notion of small amounts of oil-diluted solvent as a carrier in an oil additive as it pertains to elastomeric seals whose composition the engineers chose to deal with hot oil and inevitible daily gasoline contamination?

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