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Originally posted by Terry:
cvl, based on what you are telling me the engine needs the second treatment of Auto-Rx. It will work slowly enough not to spin a bearing. The solvents are going to cut into the deposits quick and could possibly get a chunk stuck in a journal or damage a bearing. The solvent will be absorbed just at the point larger particles are being drawn into suspension.Leaving too much large particles flowing around.
Valve guide seals: Sounds to me like they are mechanically worn out, the deposits are an abradent and have sanded it out of tolerance. Give the Rx a second run on that too,might as well as it is recommended in a severe situation like this. Run the Rx for 1000 miles on the second treatment and change the filter at 500 mile intervals with a fresh filter being used at the beginning of treatment.
I disagree with Bob on his 131 solvent being used here for the reasons above.
Terry, I had no intention of posting on here about this problem but all I did was give them the correct usage for this product had they decieded to try it, but since you commented on this and keep using the word solvent in refference to the 131 neutra as part of the name which I feel is not the name of the product
(131 Solvent) but what appears to be your bias against this product, I felt I had to step in.
With all due respect, please do some testing on the 131 neutra before basing your opinion on how the neutra will effect anything. I know you have really looked at the mdsd's and such, but like many other times, a judgement has been made on such a product and come to find out that it is not what it seems. Unless you know the exact amounts/chemistry design, I don't think you can make a solid determination on just how this will react in an engine without extensive testing. Just like the flash point issue, stating it will not stay in the engine and burn off, but failing to consider that this products flashpoint will take on different charateristics when mixed with another lubricant, so is this solvency. This product may have some solvency in it, but point is, if a bottle of cleaner states put into engine and run 10 or 15mins, then yes, what you are saying is true, but if you can run 4,000 miles with this in your oil especially at the speeds in which I drove to texas and back, in those heated conditions, and not spin a bearing, it sure isn't luck and obviously it sure hasn't caused any problems in the engine either as I had pulled a sample and posted the results,
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000056 , this had a full bottle of neutra in it. You really think this product is going to spin bearings or cause it to break off chunks that I'd even consider using it in mine? Please, the local Toyota boys here in arlington use it in a lot of cars as they themselves have done the same, put some in their engine and have seen where the smoke has gone down to nothing in the 1000 mile period. If you'd like, I'll give you the master Toyota ASE certified mechanic's name and number so you can verify this.
Please understand, I'm not saying auto rx wont do it, but obviously the chemistry is diffrent as you well know, so does that make it a bad product for this use? I don't think so, as it has been used by schaeffers for many many years for many applications.
This product is used in gear boxes, hydraulic systems, engine purges,diesel and gas fuel systems, even auto transmissions and many other applications. Fact, I have one guy that even uses it as a rust buster penetrating oil.
This product has a lubrication property proven in my fuel demo, neutralizes acids again proven in the fuel demo where I put sufuric acid in it, also conditions seals, as I showed on my little tests shown here,
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/sealconditioning/sealcondtioning.htm , .
Here I just got finished responding to groucho about educating more than defending our products and now I feel I have defended this.. Sorry, just feel that you're making opinions based on minor observations on the msds's and not taken the steps or measures as you did with the auto rx, to evaluate this product before making this statement. No, I don't expect you to do all that but if you are going to make such a comment on such a product please be prepared to support your findings with atleast some experiences, or tests as I have provided.
I think you'll find there are many on here now having tried the nuetra and seen it does work as suggested.
[ September 04, 2002, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]