Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: tig1
Craftsman tools may declining in quality but I was in HF recently and noticed the Pittsburg brand tools are actually increasing in quality. Most all of my tools are US made and I don't need any new tools, but the HF are starting to impress. Not the junk it used to be.
I agree 100%. Pittsburg is very impressive with pretty darn good sockets, rachets and screwdrivers etc.. So are their Cen-tek and Chicago electric brands.
Let me get this straight:
I'm sure you'd like people to consider a GM as their next automotive purchase, correct?
I'm sure you feel that GM vehicles, despite the fact that they are union-made and cost far more than it would cost to produce a "Harbour Freight" car from China, are world-class and would, if Chinese vehicles were available here (and at the current rate and what I'm seeing here.... they will be and people will be buying them) be the brand you would tell people to buy, NOT the Chinese cars, right? are you with me still?
BUT, it is apparently fine to go buy Chinese tools from Harbour Freight, and then call them IMPRESSIVE?
Snap-On, MAC, Armstrong, KD....etc are all American, but they cost money, because, like one of your GM vehicles, they aren't made by freakin' slave labour in a third-world country!
Do you guys not see what you are doing here? It's a double standard!
It is OK for you to buy Chinese junk from Harbour Freight, because it has nothing to do with YOUR job. But you want somebody to buy vehicles, or whatever the heck you make, or your brand represents from the company you work for INSTEAD of something off-shore, because you like to stay employed!
Do you not think the Snap-On guy likes to have his freakin' job? What about the guy at Brafasco? No?
Life isn't serial folks! It's a mesh made up of millions of star topologies. Every decision you make, every item you buy, every thing you do has an impact on somebody else. It appears many of us cannot see past the ends of our noses, past the figure on the bottoms of our pay cheques.
This blows my freakin' mind, especially considering how much we've talked about it on here lately!
Keep buying the Chinese stuff boys. Just don't be surprised when they are buying you.
I don't quite know what kind of day you had, but you sure lashed out on me for quite a few things that YOU have no idea about concerning me.
Is your point correct, yes. I agree with your overall point - but leave me out of it. I never said anything about owning or buying HF tools over American made tools when you can find them. Getting that point straight - let me now explain that my point about Pittsburg (Harbor Freight) tools actually being pretty good IN NO WAY said he y'all lets go an buy them and put America out of work. We were talking about CRAFTSMAN having rachets made in CHINA - and they are NOT made as well as the older USA ones. MY point again - if you are going to by a China Craftsman, why not just get a China HF??? Better made, less price and same warranty.
That was the extent of my comment, man. You really went of the deep end and you really don't even know me. I buy AMERICAN made items as much as possible...tool wise...my tool box is made up of roughly 60% Craftsman, 25% Snap-on, 10% OTC and the rest (yeah) Harbor Freight for those "only need one use tools".
There was nothing wrong in my acknowledging that HF actually had a quality improvement in their tools. I personally think Snap On is overpriced, but I have spent the money on them for tools that I use most and don't mind spending more for quality. But, Snap On is not so much better for the money than a lesser brand for the average DIY'er and that is where HF deals with most. Just like you say I want people to by GM, sure - but we still need to make a quality car at a FAIR price...why don't some of our USA tool makers bring some jobs BACK here (Craftsman)??
This is all related to the "global economy" brain washing out nation has been subjected to by big gov't and big business. I am all for global economies as long as we build here and ship abroad. But this is not the case - profits rule the roost.
Last - In case you have not noticed - the Chinese practically already own us.
In the future, maybe make your post a bit more broad rather than funneling it all to one person.
