Toyota 0W-20 10kkm at Auris 1.6

[wlyszkow]

Hello,
Very boring UOA ;-) from my company car. Great results even with quite high factory Si still. Best time (1 year used) for oil change looking at tbn/tan ratio.
Only iron/copper ratio concerns me - can it be due to high moly content?

Comments welcome..

 

[volk06]

Wow that oil has a very stout add pack. Thats a lot of moly and it has some boron! Should work great and keep an engine spotless.

 

[FL_Rob]

Yet another neat little car that actually looks good that we can't get in America,we're stuck with the Yaris,similar but not the same.

 

[odie]

Good looking results . Wonder if the Toyota 0w-20 here in the states have the same additives ? As for the IRON that seems to be the norm . The 2 YARIS ( '08 sedan , 2010 3 door ) U.O.A.s for the 1.5 ltr. we posted have high IRON as well . Maybe these take longer to break in

. Here are the U.O.A.s for both for a comparison . 2008 sedan http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2258333&page=1 , there's a link with this thread to the 2010 results . We too like the looks of the AURIS . They're bringing a similar new YARIS model for 2012 somtime this year . Thanks for the post .

 

[wlyszkow]

Originally Posted By: volk06
Wow that oil has a very stout add pack. Thats a lot of moly and it has some boron! Should work great and keep an engine spotless.

This oil in Poland costs ~ 27$ 1L bottle at Toyota service and available there only...

 

[wlyszkow]

Originally Posted By: odie
Good looking results . Wonder if the Toyota 0w-20 here in the states have the same additives ? As for the IRON that seems to be the norm . The 2 YARIS ( '08 sedan , 2010 3 door ) U.O.A.s for the 1.5 ltr. we posted have high IRON as well . Maybe these take longer to break in

. Here are the U.O.A.s for both for a comparison . 2008 sedan http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2258333&page=1 , there's a link with this thread to the 2010 results . We too like the looks of the AURIS . They're bringing a similar new YARIS model for 2012 somtime this year . Thanks for the post .

I fing my Iron wear great for 10kkm OCI - it is ~1ppm per 1k mi so good enough to me

 

[odie]

Is this synthetic or conventional oil ?

 

[OldCowboy]

Any time you have less than 1 ppm iron per 1K miles, that is an EXCELLENT report.

 

[wlyszkow]

Originally Posted By: odie
Is this synthetic or conventional oil ?

No info about that. Toyota 0W-20 Formula XS API SM ILSAC GF-4. Must be some real sythetic there - no oil consumption even hot summer dynamic hwy and no noise at start-ups till the end of OCI - what I can't say about their 5W-30 A1 SL FE oil - became black after 3kkm / 3 months and made start-ups very noisy - dual vvti engine - 5W-30 is much cheaper...

 

[SilverC6]

At the dealer here in the US, I'm buying Toyota 0W-20 for $5 a quart in case quantity.

I think this oil is a bargain at that price.

 

[wlyszkow]

You have much cheaper oils there in US... In Poland you can find dino Castrol for ~ 40$ at the dealer VW, Audi and they advertise these oils cheap because you should run them 20-30kkm sometimes even 2 years..

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: odie
Is this synthetic or conventional oil ?

I'd assume it's synthetic or at least synthetic blend. Is it even possible to make 0w-XX mineral oil?

 

[rcy]

Would Toyota use a supplier over in Europe for a 0w20 sold there, or would they use XOM like they do in North America? Without looking for the VOA and UOA (I know we have some - I've done both a VOA and a UOA, but on the original Idemitsu formula, not the Mobil formula), I think the oil looks similar (high moly for example) to the North American Toyota 0w20.

 

[wlyszkow]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: odie
Is this synthetic or conventional oil ?

I'd assume it's synthetic or at least synthetic blend. Is it even possible to make 0w-XX mineral oil?

HC+ / GIII+ of course possible - we can't be sure of PAO nowadays even in 0W, maybe Noack would help but there is no data about the oil I'm afraid.
Nevertheless - good UOA - the only issue is that next fill (just after the 0W-20) 5W-30 with BG MOA (added after 3kkm) had quite high insolubles (0,5) after just 5kkm (it was almost black just after 3kkm even w/o the MOA) - see the UOA below...

 

[wlyszkow]

Originally Posted By: rcy
Would Toyota use a supplier over in Europe for a 0w20 sold there, or would they use XOM like they do in North America? Without looking for the VOA and UOA (I know we have some - I've done both a VOA and a UOA, but on the original Idemitsu formula, not the Mobil formula), I think the oil looks similar (high moly for example) to the North American Toyota 0w20.

Idemitsu is possible, in EU Total/Elf has lots of such contracts - e.g. with GM but I asked Toyota Motor Poland for more info about their oils offered in Poland - we will see.. ;-)
In JP it is Jaytec:

http://jaytec-lubricants.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7_14&products_id=4

and the link below shows this 0W-20 PAO blend with high Noack but I'm not sure if it is the same:
http://www.jaytec.jp/eng_eco_rider0w-20.htm

The one offered in Poland looks like M1:

 

[webfors]

Excellent report! Love that Moly...

 

[wlyszkow]

2nd UOA is 7x less moly and good as well, isn't it?

 

[wag123]

I would like to use this oil but before I buy a case of the XOM black bottle Toyota 0w-20 synthetic CURRENTLY being sold in the US, I sure would like to see a current VOA or UOA. All of the information available about this oil is either outdated (non-XOM) or from outside the US.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: wag123
I would like to use this oil but before I buy a case of the XOM black bottle Toyota 0w-20 synthetic CURRENTLY being sold in the US, I sure would like to see a current VOA or UOA. All of the information available about this oil is either outdated (non-XOM) or from outside the US.


Just have to figure out how to use the (less than optimum) search engine on BITOG.

Here's a post of mine with the original Idemitsu formula and the (at the time) new XOM formula.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1989921&page=1

 

[wag123]

Thank you rcy! I thought that I looked hard enough to find a post like yours.
But, my question still remains. Do you (or anybody else) know if the black quart bottle Toyota 0w-20 (part # 00279-0WQTE) that the US Toyota dealers are now selling is the same oil as the silver litre bottle Toyota 0w-20 that they sold you in Canada last year?