2002 Camaro SS, LS1 oil analysis

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2002 Camaro SS, 5.7L LS1 V-8
odometer = 1000 miles, factory oil (Mobil-1 Synthetic 5w30)
oil filter change at 600 miles to purolator pure-1 equivalent to AC-PF59,
1 qt of Mobil-1 synthetic 5w30 added to replace oil lost from filter change

Your results are below and look normal for a new engine and oil combo.
I will have to get the oxidation and nitration rerun as they came in as 0.

copper 201ppm elevated but normal reading for these engines on break-in.
look for 100 or less in the next 5000 miles.
Iron 23ppm normal, will drop to 10ppm range

Chrome 1ppm low

lead 6ppm normal until you romp on it, guys that race will see 20ppm
range unless they use a racing oil.
aluminum 5ppm normal

silicon 103ppm normal for new engine, will drop as RTV ends leaching process.

moly 63ppm elevated will drop unless you rev it on cold starts,
ring coating. See note below.

sodium 16ppm normal will drop to 10 ppm or less

magnesium 19ppm normal

tin 9ppm normal

zinc 677 normal additive

potassium 0 not in this oil

phosphorus 635 normal

Calcium 2130 higher than than the new "super syn" additive, either you
added oil or some additive to get this elevated. Not a problem
at all just sticks out to me. Usually show 1000ppm or less for new Mobil 1.

water,fuel,antifreeze all negative. scale neg,trace,pos

soot 38 not really relevant for a gas engine but we run it anyway. Use to
compare to later tests.

Oxidation, Nitration, Sulfur TBA... unable to be analyzed ==> very low

TBN 12 new oil, good

Vis @100C 10.6 mobil 1 30w, good


**Calcium and moly higher than I would expect, you didn't add the GM antiwear
stuff did you? If you added nothing then we'll expect to see moly drop in
later tests.

Overall consistent results,

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Dyson analysis
2002 Camaro SS, 5.7L LS1 V-8
odometer = 4660 miles, 3685 miles on oil: Chevron 10w30 SL ($1.08/qt)
AC-PF58 oil filter, no oil added/lost

Dyson Analysis

Results ppm/% Comments (blank=normal)
Wear
Copper 151 normal for these engines
Iron 8 low
Chromium 1 low
Lead 9 normal
Aluminum 2 low
Silicon 27 coming into normal range
Tin 3 normal

Additives
Molybdenum 58 residual from M1,and wear in
Sodium 3
Magnesium 8
Zinc 916
Potassium 0
Phosphorus 767
Calcium 1790

Physical Properties
Water, Fuel, Antifreeze negative
Soot 0
Oxidation 11 low, good 6%
Nitration 52 low ,good 26.00%
Sulfur 0 low, low sulfur fuel and good ring seal
TBN 7 normal
Vis@100C 9.7 30w Starts at 10.5 cSt or so.

Final Comments : All wear values are excellent,
except for the GM copper levels. The Chevron is working well.
Expect Moly to drop to single digits as residual moly adds deplete.
Oil and engine combo good to 5000 mile intervals if desired.
Nitrogen bump up is colder weather in New England. Oxidation is low.

[ January 15, 2003, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: 1 FMF ]
 
Those iron and lead values are very good considering it's a new engine and I know you drive it hard too!
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It'll be interesting to track the copper levels as they come down. You can already see a pretty big drop, considering there was 201ppm of copper in the first 1000 miles and then in 3600 miles there was only 151, which works out to 42ppm/1000 miles (so the copper levels came down by 80%!)

This Chevron looks like it's holding up pretty well too. What oil did you put in there now?
 
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Originally posted by vettenuts:
Is the Chevron a synthetic? Do the f-bodies require a synthetic (GM 8714 M)?

Even though the f-body uses virtually the same LS1 engine (cam is slightly different, and oil pan) it doesn't call for synthetics. Most of the 2002 LS1 f-bodies did come factory fill with synthetic though, but it's not required to continue using it like in the C5.

The Chevron he's using is not synthetic.
 
The Calcium is not elevated in fact it is low compared to most other 5/30 Supersyn Analysis here on the forum.It also appears the Mag is abnormaly low for 1k mikes and a quart top off.Zinc is low as well.

IMO something is wrong with this analysis and the interpitation of it.
Quote:
"Calcium 2130 higher than than the new "super syn" additive, either you
added oil or some additive to get this elevated. Not a problem
at all just sticks out to me. Usually show 1000ppm or less for new Mobil 1."

Less than 1000 ppm of Ca normal for M1? Nope! The 2130ppm is even low.

I also question the Moly being elevated,it looks to me it has plated and dropped from the approximate 80ppm when the oil was new.


All that needs be done is to look at all the other 5/30 SS analysis here. More miles and higher additive package left over.

Here is one for example:
1995 Ford Windstar

110K (2.5K oil) -- 115.1 (2.6K oil)
Castrol GTX 5w-30 -- Mobil 1 5w30

element in ppm

magnesium--52----116
Zinc-------867---964
potassium--65----
calcium----1730--2764

[ January 16, 2003, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
 
FYI: after the first oil change at 1000 miles, I put in Redline 10w30. On the redline bottle it said do not use until after engine has completed break-in or about 3000 miles. I also had the usual ticking sound like a collapsed or noisy lifter. Had the noise since about 500 miles on odometer and on the original factory oil, so I don't think it's necessarily oil related. But from oil analysis advice that the high moly content might prevent complete engine break-in I dumped the redline and went with chevron 10w30. The idea using chevron dino was to wear off any plated moly from using the redine for the couple hundred miles, and break-in the motor good. Don't worry, I dumped the redline into my sister's p.o.s. taurus (that was probably the best care that car ever saw) I didn't just dump it and waste it
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Don't know about the calcium content, the numbers made sense to me since the analysis caught me doing a filter change at 600 miles and topping off with a fresh quart of mobil 5w30 supersyn. But you say Ca should be higher altogether
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I ran the chevron 10w30 to 5000 miles on the odometer, I am now running mobil-1 0w40 synthetic. Still have a noisy motor but with the 15-20 degree weather it seems much quieter lately. I also wonder if with a few miles on the oil if that quiets things down somehow? The motor seemed to be quieter just before I changed the chevron 10w30. When I put the fresh mobil 0w40 in it was noisy as hell again
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I hope to do an analysis at 10k miles (5k miles on oil) and see where the numbers are at.

dragboat:
 
No wonder this thread is confusing
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The truth comes out! Three oils were used but one was not typed in. Hmmmmm
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I looked at all the 5/30 Supersyns. They ALL have more Calcium than you have. Care to share your personal thoughts on this ?

BTW I have a friend that tried that Mobil 0/40. He called it junk after being a quart low at 2000 miles and went back to the 10/30 Supersyn he used before and had no oil consumption problems at 4000 miles in a 4.0 Ford

[ January 17, 2003, 08:26 AM: Message edited by: worriedboutoil ]
 
Re: engine noise, I had a 1998 LS1-powered Firebird for 50,000 miles and the engine was noisy every mile of the way.

I have a technical paper here on the design of the LS1. It is specifically designed to minimize the amount of oil in the top end so that is probably why.

Cheers, 3MP
 
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