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#2484785 - 01/06/12 02:34 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: kaboom10]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
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Loc: Hungary
Originally Posted By: kaboom10
...If you are running 100% E85 don't go adding gasoline to it. I tried it with my E85 tune and the truck didn't like it. If you have a flexfuel vehicle it would probably be ok...

It's not FFV - but thinking on to tune it; gas price now hits the sky here: USD 6.4 per US Gallon
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#2484806 - 01/06/12 02:48 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: zoli]
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I thought so. Mine isn't either. I have a tuning program and larger injectors to cover the larger volume needed to keep from going lean. It's like race gas and I've increased the spark and fuel. Tire burner now.
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#2484812 - 01/06/12 02:50 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: kaboom10]
zoli Offline


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Originally Posted By: kaboom10
...I have a tuning program and larger injectors to cover the larger volume needed to keep from going lean. It's like race gas and I've increased the spark and fuel. Tire burner now.

My target as well!!!
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#2484822 - 01/06/12 03:07 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: zoli]
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Loc: royal oak, mich
I have no idea who would retune your vehicle. My program is for my Ford. Use injectors at least 35% larger than stock.
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#2491043 - 01/12/12 10:06 AM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 07/06/11
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If anyone ever puts a station with an E85 pump in my area, then I'm planning on building my engine for E85 only, allowing me to negate many of the perceived drawbacks of running E85.

Hopefully they do soon. The engine is going strong, but it has a lot of miles on it; hard miles. For many of them, the van was not well taken care of. The PO abused it, neglected it and didn't talk to it. Rebuild time is coming.
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#2491074 - 01/12/12 10:34 AM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: DaryleWB]
kaboom10 Offline


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Originally Posted By: DaryleWB
If anyone ever puts a station with an E85 pump in my area, then I'm planning on building my engine for E85 only, allowing me to negate many of the perceived drawbacks of running E85.

Hopefully they do soon. The engine is going strong, but it has a lot of miles on it; hard miles. For many of them, the van was not well taken care of. The PO abused it, neglected it and didn't talk to it. Rebuild time is coming.

And what are you specifically going to do to build the motor for E85? Besides tuning I have only installed larger injectors and E3 spark plugs. Original engine has never been opened up.
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#2491443 - 01/12/12 03:45 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: kaboom10]
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Registered: 07/06/11
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Loc: West Virginia
Higher compression ratio, most importantly, to take advantage of the increased thermal efficiency that ethanol is capable of. I'd like to get to 13.5:1. A friend of mine has an aircooled type 1 1915 that is just producing power and torque swimmingly at that CR. If an aircooled can do it, I figure I can with a water cooled...

I'm also planning to retrofit solid lifters, because they are make more sense and satisfy my sense of involvement and an Engal 110 Cam.

I have not found that extra capacity injectors are needed. The stock injectors on the 2.1 WBX seem more than capable of dealing with the extra capacity that E85 demands.
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#2491540 - 01/12/12 05:09 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: DaryleWB]
kaboom10 Offline


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Sounds like a good plan. I'm using additional spark and A/F to take advantage of the high octane. Still I would go at least 35% larger on the injectors and that doesn't cover the horse power increase from the CR jump. Flow is based on the HP produced.
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#2491617 - 01/12/12 06:36 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: ZZman]
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Loc: West Virginia
I do use E3 plugs and absolutely am thrilled by them. My engine is happy with the stock injectors as it is. I expect I'll be fine with them after the rebuild.

My goal is not increased HP. The current flow, even in my stock configuration (with the additional FI pulse provided by the White Lightning kit) provides plenty of power... more than stock. I am driving a bus. I wouldn't want to be too fast. That would just be unnatural.
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#2501645 - 01/21/12 07:48 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: ZZman]
harbor Offline


Registered: 12/13/02
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Loc: Rochester Hills, MI
I tried a few E-85 tankfuls at $2.99/gal from Meijers, but when the temps recently dropped, my Pentastar 3.6L began to really struggle with cold starts. Rather than get the engine block heater recommended by Chrysler, I switched back to regular unleaded gas and the problem resolved itself.

Here's the blurb on E85 from the owners manual:

"The characteristics of E-85 fuel make it unsuitable for use
when ambient temperatures fall below 0F (-18C). In the
range of 0F (-18C) to 32F (0C), you may experience an
increase in the time it takes for your engine to start, and
a deterioration in driveability (sags and/or hesitations)
until the engine is fully warmed up.
NOTE: Use of the engine block heater (if equipped) is
beneficial for E-85 startability when the ambient temperature
is less than 32F (0C)."
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#2501664 - 01/21/12 08:08 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: harbor]
kaboom10 Offline


Registered: 09/17/08
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Loc: royal oak, mich
Originally Posted By: harbor
I tried a few E-85 tankfuls at $2.99/gal from Meijers, but when the temps recently dropped, my Pentastar 3.6L began to really struggle with cold starts. Rather than get the engine block heater recommended by Chrysler, I switched back to regular unleaded gas and the problem resolved itself.

Here's the blurb on E85 from the owners manual:

"The characteristics of E-85 fuel make it unsuitable for use
when ambient temperatures fall below 0F (-18C). In the
range of 0F (-18C) to 32F (0C), you may experience an
increase in the time it takes for your engine to start, and
a deterioration in driveability (sags and/or hesitations)
until the engine is fully warmed up.
NOTE: Use of the engine block heater (if equipped) is
beneficial for E-85 startability when the ambient temperature
is less than 32F (0C)."


I'm not far from you and I have no problem with cold starts. I also have my cold start values richer than stock.
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#2501893 - 01/22/12 06:19 AM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: kaboom10]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 162
Loc: Hungary
I was proposed to change the fuel filter after couple of fuelings of E85 (ethanol will clean the fuel tank & lines and this dirt will clog the filter).
After 750 km with up to 40% E85 in the gas + approx. 22,000 miles gas (95): it was waste of money to change... smirk







Edited by zoli (01/22/12 06:20 AM)
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#2502544 - 01/22/12 05:44 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: zoli]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11625
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: zoli
I was proposed to change the fuel filter after couple of fuelings of E85 (ethanol will clean the fuel tank & lines and this dirt will clog the filter).
After 750 km with up to 40% E85 in the gas + approx. 22,000 miles gas (95): it was waste of money to change... smirk


Well, you gave us some pretty pictures, anyhow. I always wondered what the European fuel filters would look like opened up. I wish the North Americans and Japanese would use them. Heck, the old Audi's fuel filter was bigger than the oil filter!
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#2565513 - 03/12/12 06:36 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: beechcraftted]
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Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 45
Loc: Minnesota
Koenigsegg CCXR anyone? 1100hp on e85, 850 on high octane gas.
Originally Posted By: beechcraftted
Yep.

Use it every fill up on the flex Suburban and a 50/50 mix in the non-flex Silverado. My total must be over 1,100 gallons by now, as there are 2 stations near me. Think dollars per mile, not miles per gallon.

Although E-85 is hated by many on this site, I can report no operational issues at all. I am neither a tree hugger, nor a corn farmer, but the US is now using gasoline at a rate of 3.7 million gallons per DAY, I figure an alternative has to be found sooner or later. I dunno' if this is that alternative, but it works for me.

Many engines optimized for GASOLINE are being run on ethanol. Imagine if the engines were optimized for ethanol (i.e. higher compression, more agressive spark timing, modified valve timing, etc). There are many reports of the turbo and supercharger guys just loving this stuff.

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#2565879 - 03/12/12 11:58 PM Re: Doe anyone run E-85 on a Regular basis? [Re: zoli]
zoli Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 162
Loc: Hungary
Originally Posted By: zoli
Trial period: last 3 fuelings with 20, 25 and 33% E85. No negative effect, but better acceleration at WOT. Max. 40% recommended without any modification.
E85 is cheaper like gas by 17% and available very well at countryside in Hungary.
Consumption is worst by approx. 5-10%.
No fuel filter change - did anybody check the changed filter for dirt?

Last one: 45% E85 in the tank, but approx. 15% higher consumption; little bad, but still good cold/warm start-up + great torque! Only 1 negative remark: the high mile-aged oxygen sensor tries to handle well this mixture, so several tests are running during the cruising (open/closed loop); will be difficult to pass the local EPA (OBD) test with this mixture at the end of March...
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