Mobil Ever Said they Pass IVA Test ?
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ExxonMobil has confirmed to us that their 5W-30 Mobil 1 product meets ILSAC GF-4 and API SM requirements. This includes passing data in the IVA.
Kevin Ferrick
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API tests 600 licensed oils per year to confirm that they meet our requirements. This would include a variety of ExxonMobil products. We don’t merely accept an oil marketer’s word. I can’t really explain why Ashland chose to do what it did, but ExxonMobil has taken steps to confirm its product meets our requirements.
Kevin Ferrick
American Petroleum Institute
Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005
ExxonMobil has confirmed to us that their 5W-30 Mobil 1 product meets ILSAC GF-4 and API SM requirements. This includes passing data in the IVA.
Kevin Ferrick
American Petroleum Institute
Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005
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API tests 600 licensed oils per year to confirm that they meet our requirements. This would include a variety of ExxonMobil products. We don’t merely accept an oil marketer’s word. I can’t really explain why Ashland chose to do what it did, but ExxonMobil has taken steps to confirm its product meets our requirements.
Kevin Ferrick
American Petroleum Institute
Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005
Since the Sequence IVA test is a requirement for ILSAC GF-3 and GF-4, they pass it.
No, They had a lab sign a Certficate of Compliance saying they meet it for a small sample - doesnt say ANYTHING about the vast gallonage of flotsam blended prior and hence out in the market (and your sump). API comment about Ashland is telling, ' ...In this exclusive Mens Club, how dare Rodney come in and make a mockery of the nice little thang we got goin here!' I guarantee that some sample(s) of M1 5w-30 SM GF-4 did not pass the seq IVA, as Ashland (and others) have certified independant labs test and the non-conformance notes with affidavit to prove it. Somwhat mooot as I would again (almost) guarantee that the M1 5w-30 you buy today and what you bought last year passed seq. IVA. You have Honda ILSAC approval and HT06 to thank for that guarantee.
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What did Ashland do? Is there a place to find out the details? I missed it.
Yup, you missed "it" and nobody's gonna tell
Castrol Edge is advertising every day here on television that they have "eight times better wear protection than Mobil 1", both verbally and in large print on the screen. This has got to be hurting XOM, and their continued silence and lack of legal action only further raises suspicions.
Would love to know the behind-the-scenes story, but we probably never will.
Tom NJ
Would love to know the behind-the-scenes story, but we probably never will.
Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
What did Ashland do? Is there a place to find out the details? I missed it.
Some years ago Ashland sent a letter to ExxonMobil stating that Mobil 1 did not meet API specification for sequence IVA. Mobil never really said if it did meet the spec or not. They issued a statement full of marketing junk that basically said: Mobil 1 rocks. Use it!
They did not really respond. It was a bit odd, IMO. The API basically backed up Exxon saying their product was fine.
What did Ashland do? Is there a place to find out the details? I missed it.
Some years ago Ashland sent a letter to ExxonMobil stating that Mobil 1 did not meet API specification for sequence IVA. Mobil never really said if it did meet the spec or not. They issued a statement full of marketing junk that basically said: Mobil 1 rocks. Use it!
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
No, They had a lab sign a Certficate of Compliance saying they meet it for a small sample - doesnt say ANYTHING about the vast gallonage of flotsam blended prior and hence out in the market (and your sump). API comment about Ashland is telling, ' ...In this exclusive Mens Club, how dare Rodney come in and make a mockery of the nice little thang we got goin here!' I guarantee that some sample(s) of M1 5w-30 SM GF-4 did not pass the seq IVA, as Ashland (and others) have certified independant labs test and the non-conformance notes with affidavit to prove it. Somwhat mooot as I would again (almost) guarantee that the M1 5w-30 you buy today and what you bought last year passed seq. IVA. You have Honda ILSAC approval and HT06 to thank for that guarantee.
If it were not so M1 would have nailed them in court. Don't say they would not have.
No, They had a lab sign a Certficate of Compliance saying they meet it for a small sample - doesnt say ANYTHING about the vast gallonage of flotsam blended prior and hence out in the market (and your sump). API comment about Ashland is telling, ' ...In this exclusive Mens Club, how dare Rodney come in and make a mockery of the nice little thang we got goin here!' I guarantee that some sample(s) of M1 5w-30 SM GF-4 did not pass the seq IVA, as Ashland (and others) have certified independant labs test and the non-conformance notes with affidavit to prove it. Somwhat mooot as I would again (almost) guarantee that the M1 5w-30 you buy today and what you bought last year passed seq. IVA. You have Honda ILSAC approval and HT06 to thank for that guarantee.
If it were not so M1 would have nailed them in court. Don't say they would not have.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
No, They had a lab sign a Certficate of Compliance saying they meet it for a small sample - doesnt say ANYTHING about the vast gallonage of flotsam blended prior and hence out in the market (and your sump). API comment about Ashland is telling, ' ...In this exclusive Mens Club, how dare Rodney come in and make a mockery of the nice little thang we got goin here!' I guarantee that some sample(s) of M1 5w-30 SM GF-4 did not pass the seq IVA, as Ashland (and others) have certified independant labs test and the non-conformance notes with affidavit to prove it. Somwhat mooot as I would again (almost) guarantee that the M1 5w-30 you buy today and what you bought last year passed seq. IVA. You have Honda ILSAC approval and HT06 to thank for that guarantee.
That may very well be true.
No, They had a lab sign a Certficate of Compliance saying they meet it for a small sample - doesnt say ANYTHING about the vast gallonage of flotsam blended prior and hence out in the market (and your sump). API comment about Ashland is telling, ' ...In this exclusive Mens Club, how dare Rodney come in and make a mockery of the nice little thang we got goin here!' I guarantee that some sample(s) of M1 5w-30 SM GF-4 did not pass the seq IVA, as Ashland (and others) have certified independant labs test and the non-conformance notes with affidavit to prove it. Somwhat mooot as I would again (almost) guarantee that the M1 5w-30 you buy today and what you bought last year passed seq. IVA. You have Honda ILSAC approval and HT06 to thank for that guarantee.
That may very well be true.
I'm behind ashland on this one. No doubt a sample of M1 didn't pass the test, or as Mokanic stated they would have sued the pants off Ashland, which never happened. They just whistled away, fixed the formulation, and got away with one without having to say a word.
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I imagine there are/were batches of Synpower that didn't meet it, or another spec it is listed to meet. QC is not perfect for any oil manufacturer or blender. I'm sure every oil company has had a batch or batches that aren't what they are supposed to be.
Mobil was picked on because they are the biggest name in synthetic oil. Ashland only wishes they had Mobil's market share.
Mobil was picked on because they are the biggest name in synthetic oil. Ashland only wishes they had Mobil's market share.
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buster - While in Germany over the last few years I have taken the issue of FF lubricant quality variability up
It is evident that the supply VOAs undertaken on product delivery do show "non-conformance" - to use a QA term
These supplies are rejected at the gate! At least one Manufacturer has a large number of lubricant suppliers. One or two suppliers stand out as somewhat regular non-conformers. I won't name the Companies except to say that they are often touted on here as being at the "top of the tree"!!
buster - While in Germany over the last few years I have taken the issue of FF lubricant quality variability up
It is evident that the supply VOAs undertaken on product delivery do show "non-conformance" - to use a QA term
These supplies are rejected at the gate! At least one Manufacturer has a large number of lubricant suppliers. One or two suppliers stand out as somewhat regular non-conformers. I won't name the Companies except to say that they are often touted on here as being at the "top of the tree"!!
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buster - They supply FF lubricants - Oil Companies both large and small and you may call some Blenders
buster - They supply FF lubricants - Oil Companies both large and small and you may call some Blenders
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Hi,
buster - They supply FF lubricants - Oil Companies both large and small and you may call some Blenders
What is this,"What's My Line"?
Hi,
buster - They supply FF lubricants - Oil Companies both large and small and you may call some Blenders
What is this,"What's My Line"?
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buster - Yes IME and in some instances I tend to agree with you
buster - Yes IME and in some instances I tend to agree with you
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