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#2077026 - 11/14/10 10:40 PM Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That)
Fallguy Offline


Registered: 10/26/10
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Loc: Iowa (No, But I do Like It)
ACEA Specs are very good specs compared to American driven fuel economy and 500,000 mile cat protection. With that being said note that ACEA ("Euro")specs but are very year dependent.

Here is the email response I got from Valvoline on Synpower.

"Thank you for your questions and we would be happy to help. When we state ACEA claims on our products, it is for the latest version that has been released. For example: In the case of the Synpower products, the A1 & A5 covers all specs through A1-08 & A5-08."


Even though Valvoline Synpower is a group III as most American synthetics I highly suspect they use far more group IV stock or components thereof.

Think on the back of the Penz Platinum Bottle I read they were only like ACEA -02 specs I believe and Ultra does not bother with listing any ACEA specs whats up with that? ? ?

Remember anytime reading ACEA spec they are very year dependent as significant changes where made over the years and if they year is not mentioned you must question.

Any other American Oils up to the ACEA A1-08 and A5-08 specs?

Regards


Edited by Fallguy (11/14/10 10:42 PM)
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#2077027 - 11/14/10 10:44 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
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Interesting, good to know. Thanks
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#2077030 - 11/14/10 10:46 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
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There's no doubt they make excellent oils! I have a stash of VWB in the basement. I've always eyeballed Synpower, but never see it on sale.
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#2077034 - 11/14/10 10:50 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
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The last good sale and rebate on Synpower was 6-7 months ago, I bought 4 gallons 5W30 for less than $1/qt after rebate.
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#2077036 - 11/14/10 10:52 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: webfors]
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Registered: 06/02/09
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Loc: Lexington, KY
Originally Posted By: webfors
There's no doubt they make excellent oils! I have a stash of VWB in the basement. I've always eyeballed Synpower, but never see it on sale.


Currently $19.99 for a gallon at Oreillys. Combine that with the buy one get one free offer by MIR (see the "sales and promotions" section on this site), which I think is still going on, and that is $2.50 per quart. You can get up to two free gallons in total. So 16 quarts for $40.

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#2077042 - 11/14/10 10:57 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
webfors Offline


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You lucky Americans with your sales!!

I drive over the border to upstate NY way more often than I should for stuff. A perfect example is brake parts for my subaru. Total front end job cost me less than $100 in parts.

If I see synpower here at that price you can bet there will be a new member of my "stash club".
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#2077052 - 11/14/10 11:07 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
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Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Ca, US
Originally Posted By: Fallguy
ACEA Specs are very good specs compared to American driven fuel economy and 500,000 mile cat protection. With that being said note that ACEA ("Euro")specs but are very year dependent.

Here is the email response I got from Valvoline on Synpower.

"Thank you for your questions and we would be happy to help. When we state ACEA claims on our products, it is for the latest version that has been released. For example: In the case of the Synpower products, the A1 & A5 covers all specs through A1-08 & A5-08."


I was about to email Valvoline asking the same question. If they would clearly marked their PDS there would be fewer people asking.


Edited by sunfire (11/14/10 11:07 PM)
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#2077067 - 11/14/10 11:19 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: sunfire]
Fallguy Offline


Registered: 10/26/10
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Loc: Iowa (No, But I do Like It)
Originally Posted By: sunfire


I was about to email Valvoline asking the same question. If they would clearly marked their PDS there would be fewer people asking.


Exactly but they probably know very very few people (mechanics included) can tell what the specs mean for the most part. Its supposed to be implied that if the year is not given it is the most up to date but I would always like to see the date and leave no room for question or wiggle room for marketing manipulation of the specs.
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#2077074 - 11/14/10 11:38 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
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Loc: Airlie Beach Australia
Hi,
Fallguy - ACEA is the "product" of the Euro Vehicle Manufacturers and not the Oil Industry. It views the Oil Industry as a Supplier - as it should be! Suppliers of course need to evolve their products to meet new Technologies and etc

Contrary to your comments many of the ACEA standards (say A3/B3) have remained much the same for many many years. ACEA ia about refinement and evolving durable Quality Standards and this is where some changes have occured.
New test sequences have assisted that process.

When I first joined BITOG I was roundly criticised (mainly from the AMSOIL "camp"), many people here at that time had never heard of ACEA. I had been part of the process with the Euro Manufacturers and certain Oil Companies from the time their Standards were introduced in 1996

The API has been a slow starter and it was only due to the pressures applied by the major US diesel engine manufacturers during the 1970s-1980s that awoke the Oil Industry to reality. They are suppliers to evolving Technical standards! Cummins gave them a fright when they introduced their own Standards along with Mack. CAT were already a very long way down that path!

ACEA has forced the API to look at a parallel path in many respects

The folllowing Link adds a new dimension to this too

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001916131.cfm?x=bhCVvqf,bcNDBm4v
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#2077078 - 11/14/10 11:45 PM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: webfors]
wallyuwl Offline


Registered: 06/02/09
Posts: 1461
Loc: Lexington, KY
Originally Posted By: webfors
You lucky Americans with your sales!!

I drive over the border to upstate NY way more often than I should for stuff. .


Oh, didn't noticeeee you were a Canadian, eh. Well den, I guess that is a good excuse for ya.

Note: I'm from WI. Down here in KY a lot of people think that is basically Canadian.

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#2077093 - 11/15/10 12:11 AM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Doug Hillary]
uart Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 721
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Contrary to your comments many of the ACEA standards (say A3/B3) have remained much the same for many many years.


Doug. Did you see the Lubrizol comparison tool that has been a topic of discussion here recently. It seems to show a very large difference between the 2004-2007 A3/B3 specs and the 2008 A3/A4 specs.

See this tool : http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html

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#2077096 - 11/15/10 12:17 AM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: webfors]
uart Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 721
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: webfors
You lucky Americans with your sales!!
+1

Yep I hear you webfors! We also pay a lot more for oil in Australia. 5L of synpower here goes for about $60.00. I once saw it on sale for $56 but that's about as good as it gets. frown

BTW. I'm not singling out Synpower here. Castrol Edge is about the same price and Mobil 1 is about $10 more.

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#2077097 - 11/15/10 12:17 AM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Doug Hillary]
Fallguy Offline


Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 222
Loc: Iowa (No, But I do Like It)
Great info like hearing all about ACEA I can get!

Just wanted other readers to realize there can be gap between some of the categories and "marketers" of oil could pull tricks with labeling. Believe there rating system leaves the door wide open for this when many have not seen the full list of years etc.

Regards,

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#2077107 - 11/15/10 12:28 AM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: Fallguy]
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Registered: 06/02/02
Posts: 2175
Loc: Southeastern USA
I used the Valvoline oil recommendation on their web page. It stated that my car needed a synthetic and recommended SynPower. When you click the recommendation it shows plain old SynPower 5W-30. This is certainly not the correct oil for my vehicle.

Several e-mails back and forth showed me that the scam artists at Valvoline will say anything to sell their product. Mobil and Castrol both explicitly state that my VW requires a certain specification that is met with only one of their products. Valvoline chooses to simply state that one of their entire product lines (SynPower) is all I need to meet the spec. When I called their hand on this issue they back pedal and state that it's up to the customer to verify that the oil they use is approved by their engine builder and not the oil company. When questioned why they recommend a unapproved fluid they simply stated it's not their responsibility.

I will NEVER use another drop of their garbage. It's 'average' at best and the company exhibits no moral character. That's a failure notice for me.
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#2077109 - 11/15/10 12:32 AM Re: Valvoline Responds ACEA Specs Are '08 (Top That) [Re: uart]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
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Hi,
uart - Yes, I have seen them and I have hard copies of the ACEA Standards over many years. Please read my comments about evolution
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