Overdosing gasoline

[Durango]

Hello to all,

I am wondering if I use either branded/quality gasoline OR doscount gas and over dose my tank with additives and use it more often than indicated on the bottle safely???? This is only to quaality up th tank of gas to clean my engine better internally.

Durango

 

[wallyuwl]

Not sure exactly what you're asking. But I think I got the jist of it.

Yes, you can use injector cleaner more than it says on the bottle and you'll be fine, regardless of the type of gas you use.

 

[Jimmy9190]

Some guys here do use Redline and Techron as a maintenance dose and add a small amount at each fuel fill. Whether you use a maintenance dose and name brand fuel or a maintenance dose and lower quality no-name fuel, the use of a small regular dose of the additive itself should not cause any problems.

I firmly believe 110% it is best to always use name brand good quality gas like Shell, Chevron or Texaco. I will not buy Citgo, BP or Mobil gas for my own reasons that I will keep to myself here on BITOG.

Using a good fuel additive like Techron will only help improve performance and keep the fuel system clean, no matter which gas you use. Cheap no-name gas is bad for your engine. There was a post here not long ago on using Redline SL-1 as a routine maintenance dose. Others may have better info for you.

 

[Hemi426]

Durango,
Just run a top-tier gas such as Shell or Chevron and you will only need to use an injector cleaner once in a great while.

 

[chubbs1]

Totally agree with Hemi426. A top Tier gas is what I try to use routinely then maybe every other OCI I will use a dose of RL SL-1 to do any extra clean up for peace of mind. Techron will work too, and is usually easier to get on sale.

 

[Turk]

I double dose Techron, Seafoam or even Amsoil PI with great results and no issues whatsoever.

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190

Cheap no-name gas is bad for your engine.


Alot of those stations do not maintain their tanks....I know several people in the last couple of years who spent over 1K bucks to get their car back on line after getting a tankful of dirt.

Most people will not listen and will keep buying the cheap gas until something like that happens.

 

[CourierDriver]

dont assume those ground tanks are super clean and water free and that includes ur gas tank, change ur fuel filter once a year if u can. PS there is no such thing as clean gas for the most Part.

 

[Durango]

Hi guys,

Practically with every penny I have goes towards giving my car/truck the best care I can but admit sometimes I have no choice but to use Costco/Arco gas.

After getting my truck out of the mechanics shop for a valve that had a bad amount of deposits on it the insistance of using quality gas and using Techron is a paramount issue for me.

I don't know about the prices in your region but gas is typically high here in Los Angeles and so finding a station with a good price is always on my mind. Shell gas is out of the question! His price of $3.87/gallon/regular is a joke!!! Chevron is a good choice but that's 5 miles away so the best price closest for me in Arco which is only 1 mile away. Do you think if I use a much bigger dose of Techron in my tank along with Arco gas would that quality-up the fuel and make comparable to Top Tier??? I would mind trying every other month.

Durango

 

[demarpaint]

Well around here I can say that I've seen tanker trucks drop fuel in the so called "Top Tier" stations, then drive a few miles down the road and drop gas in the no name stations, usually late at night. So honestly IMO your plan will probably work.

I spoke with a guy from the Dept of Weights and Measures that spot checks gas stations [making sure the pumps are actually pumping a full gallon] and was told there are a few stations in my area that were pumping regular gas as 92 octane. I shop for the best gas prices, tweak my fuel with MMO or TCW3, then before each OCI use a bottle of RL FI cleaner. Sorry I don't buy into the Top Tier gas. Maybe in other parts of the US it is different. JMO

 

[glen242]

Can anyone come up with real ingredient numbers for what is used in 'Top Tier' gasoline vs the same numbers on regular gasoline? Different additives?

In my limited research, all I can find is 'Top tier has more/better additives', no actual data.

If verifiable numbers are not available, to my limited intelligence, "'top Tier' is advertising fluff. I know it costs a lot to have your gasoline tested and listed as 'Top Tier' and I would like to know the tests that 'Top Tier' performs and results of those tests, and what the criteria must be obtained, to certify a gasoline as 'Top Tier', vs what 'Top Tier' finds (as additives and % there of) in non-'Top Tier?

Simple questions for my simple mind!

 

[jmac]

Originally Posted By: glen242
Can anyone come up with real ingredient numbers for what is used in 'Top Tier' gasoline vs the same numbers on regular gasoline? Different additives?

In my limited research, all I can find is 'Top tier has more/better additives', no actual data.

If verifiable numbers are not available, to my limited intelligence, "'top Tier' is advertising fluff. I know it costs a lot to have your gasoline tested and listed as 'Top Tier' and I would like to know the tests that 'Top Tier' performs and results of those tests, and what the criteria must be obtained, to certify a gasoline as 'Top Tier', vs what 'Top Tier' finds (as additives and % there of) in non-'Top Tier?

Simple questions for my simple mind!


Top Tier Detergent Gasoline

TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline is the premier standard for gasoline performance. Six of the world's top automakers, BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi recognize that the current EPA minimum detergent requirements do not go far enough to ensure optimal engine performance.

Since the minimum additive performance standards were first established by EPA in 1995, most gasoline marketers have actually reduced the concentration level of detergent additive in their gasoline by up to 50%. As a result, the ability of a vehicle to maintain stringent Tier 2 emission standards have been hampered, leading to engine deposits which can have a big impact on in-use emissions and driver satisfaction.

These automakers have raised the bar. TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline help drivers avoid lower quality gasoline which can leave deposits on critical engine parts, which reduces engine performance. That's something both drivers and automakers want to avoid.

http://www.toptiergas.com/


Testing

http://www.toptiergas.com/deposit_control.html

Gasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.

In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.

Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

 

[ChuckBerry]

Hey Durango, I lived in Los Angeles for almost six years and fed my '98 Ford Escort 2.0 liter engine a steady diet of Arco 87 octane and never had any issues whatsoever with my engine, sold the car at 125k miles after only replacing a radiator. I never used any kind of fuel system cleaner in it.

Give yourself a break and don't overthink it. Arco is good and inexpensive gas. And being able to use cash at the pumps is a convenience I miss everyday...

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: jmac
Originally Posted By: glen242
Can anyone come up with real ingredient numbers for what is used in 'Top Tier' gasoline vs the same numbers on regular gasoline? Different additives?

In my limited research, all I can find is 'Top tier has more/better additives', no actual data.

If verifiable numbers are not available, to my limited intelligence, "'top Tier' is advertising fluff. I know it costs a lot to have your gasoline tested and listed as 'Top Tier' and I would like to know the tests that 'Top Tier' performs and results of those tests, and what the criteria must be obtained, to certify a gasoline as 'Top Tier', vs what 'Top Tier' finds (as additives and % there of) in non-'Top Tier?

Simple questions for my simple mind!


Top Tier Detergent Gasoline

TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline is the premier standard for gasoline performance. Six of the world's top automakers, BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi recognize that the current EPA minimum detergent requirements do not go far enough to ensure optimal engine performance.

Since the minimum additive performance standards were first established by EPA in 1995, most gasoline marketers have actually reduced the concentration level of detergent additive in their gasoline by up to 50%. As a result, the ability of a vehicle to maintain stringent Tier 2 emission standards have been hampered, leading to engine deposits which can have a big impact on in-use emissions and driver satisfaction.

These automakers have raised the bar. TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline help drivers avoid lower quality gasoline which can leave deposits on critical engine parts, which reduces engine performance. That's something both drivers and automakers want to avoid.

http://www.toptiergas.com/


Testing

http://www.toptiergas.com/deposit_control.html

Gasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.

In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.

Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html


Top Tier is a total farce. There is NO enforcement, therefore NO compliance. Gasoline is a fungible commodity, sold and transferred at will. The savings in transportation costs alone prevent distributors from assuring that any station gets a particular "brand."

 

[Durango]

Originally Posted By: ChuckBerry
Hey Durango, I lived in Los Angeles for almost six years and fed my '98 Ford Escort 2.0 liter engine a steady diet of Arco 87 octane and never had any issues whatsoever with my engine, sold the car at 125k miles after only replacing a radiator. I never used any kind of fuel system cleaner in it.

Give yourself a break and don't overthink it. Arco is good and inexpensive gas. And being able to use cash at the pumps is a convenience I miss everyday...

ChuckBerry,

Thanks for your posting. For now I just need some time to get my average life back to normal so for now since it's close to the major holidays I have to feed my truck/car Arco now and then. Costco I have to give it another thought but that price they have is very tempting. As our economy gets better so the price rises and sooner or later we all will be back in anothet hole again.

Durango

 

[BearZDefect]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Well around here I can say that I've seen tanker trucks drop fuel in the so called "Top Tier" stations, then drive a few miles down the road and drop gas in the no name stations, usually late at night. So honestly IMO your plan will probably work.

Not only that, but some top brand stations are independent and the owners save money by minimizing tank maintainance and repairs. There are many variables affecting the quality of the gasoline you put in your tank.

 

[yaris0128]

After WA passed its E10 law I stopped caring what kind of gas I got because either way Im getting that ethanol junk so whats a little bit more cleaning additives gunna do for me? Not a whole lot... Ill just keep putting in my injector cleaner every now and again and Ill forget about it. Need to do that ASAP in my Yaris..... been dropping from 39mpg to 37 down to 34, gotta get that junk in my tank.

 

[Durango]

OK guys then it seems were getting back to that old same question.... Is gas all the same/quality regardless of State????

My next question is that IF gas is considered generally the same regardless of brand name or not CAN quality be raised by adding bottles of additives like Techron or Gumout/Reagin????

Durango

 

[Bill in Utah]

Some states have worst fuel IMO. When I went to your state I thought that the vehicle I was in was going to not make it out (the Silverado with a 4.8l V8 and Subaru with the 2.5l H4).

Both ran horribly, gas mileage went down 20% and once I got to Las Vegas and filled up within 50 miles I could tell a difference.

I do a dose of additives once a year.

Bill

 

[NightRiderQ45]

I'll purchase Citgo if one was around and they were cheap.