Spark plug analysis

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As you can see in the picture the electrode is wore off not on the tip but next to the ground electrode(?). All 4 plugs were similar to this one. These plugs were pulled out of a 02 Focus 2.0SPI with 82k. Should be original plugs AGSF34E. I replaced them with AGSF34EE I got for a Ford Escort 5 years ago. The spark plugs they list now is SP504, not sure if it matters. Can recall if I've ever seen plugs do this. Thoughts?
 
Mine wear the same way in my Santa Fe 2.7L V6 with NGK Iridiums. Nothing to worry about IMO.

If you aren't using the plug called for this time around monitor your gas mileage and see if the engine pings.

As for the plug in the picture looks like the engine is running properly if they all look like that.

Steve
 
It looks like it was running rich to me. Maybe vacuum leak. Is the EGR tube still intact on that 2.0 split port?
 
Originally Posted By: beast3300
It looks like it was running rich to me. Maybe vacuum leak. Is the EGR tube still intact on that 2.0 split port?


Actually it isn't which I forgot to mention. I did a quick fix with JB Weld and it ran better.. of course didn't hold.
 
How many miles on that set of plugs? Looks like a lot. You said it's been in for 5 years?
 
I would replace the EGR tube. It's probally in stock at the dealer. Then revisit the spark plugs in a few thousand miles.
 
Originally Posted By: beast3300
It looks like it was running rich to me. Maybe vacuum leak. Is the EGR tube still intact on that 2.0 split port?


It's MAF, not MAP. A vacuum leak would cause a LEAN condition, not rich.
 
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Originally Posted By: beast3300
It looks like it was running rich to me. Maybe vacuum leak. Is the EGR tube still intact on that 2.0 split port?


Actually it isn't which I forgot to mention. I did a quick fix with JB Weld and it ran better.. of course didn't hold.


Hehehe, we've got the same problem with my wife's. EGR tube is pretty rotten, I've used some muffler cement on it, but it has broken twice. Figure I'm going to have to bite the bullet and buy the right tube from Ford. Though I did find an almost new one at the wreckers yesterday... So if Ford is insanely pricey, I'll probably go that route.
 
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Originally Posted By: beast3300
It looks like it was running rich to me. Maybe vacuum leak. Is the EGR tube still intact on that 2.0 split port?


It's MAF, not MAP. A vacuum leak would cause a LEAN condition, not rich.


How does the PCM compensate for a lean condition? Oh that's right it runs rich.
 
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It's unmetered air that the system compensates for with the O2 sensor so if anything it would run normal or lean if the Vacuum leak is big enough.
 
Originally Posted By: beast3300
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: beast3300
It looks like it was running rich to me. Maybe vacuum leak. Is the EGR tube still intact on that 2.0 split port?


It's MAF, not MAP. A vacuum leak would cause a LEAN condition, not rich.


How does the PCM compensate for a lean condition? Oh that's right it runs rich.


This isn't an '88 K-Car or an '87 Mustang. The latter which I've had a vacuum leak on and got a rich condition due to reduced vacuum at the MAP and subsequent over-fueling by the ECM; fueling beyond the "trim" factor from the feed-back O2 system.

The Focus we got for my wife had a MASSIVE vacuum leak when we got it; the PCV hose was disconnected. Guess what? It ran LEAN. It ran LEAN because the MAF was telling the ECM it was getting "X" amount of air, and it was getting MUCH more than that. And the amount of air exceeded the enrichen factor based on O2 feedback. It made the car very doggy and it was running VERY lean.

I have a fair deal of Ford experience. I have witnessed BOTH conditions on more than one occasion. On a MAP-equipped car, they will often run rich if the leak is large enough to affect the amount of vacuum seen by the MAP sensor. If not, they can run lean.

On a MAF equipped car, if there is unmetered air entering the system, they will run lean. Of course in closed-loop feedback from the O2 sensors will attempt to bring the A/F back into the acceptable range, but if the amount of correction exceeds the range specified in the ECM, you simply end up with an uncorrectable lean condition. And there is of course a code for this, as we experienced on my wife's Focus. I have NEVER witnessed a MAF Ford vehicle with properly functioning O2's run rich due to a vacuum leak.

The ECM doesn't just magically know there is a vacuum leak and start dumping fuel at it to compensate. It uses O2 feedback, which as StevieC touched on, would at most lead to the car running a "normal" A/F, and if it runs out of correction, lean, as I stated above.
 
Originally Posted By: beast3300
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That is saying exactly what I'm saying. The ECM has to ADD fuel due to a LEAN condition (vacuum leak) so what you see appended to the long-term fuel trim tables are positive values indicating the ECM had to enrichen the mixture. That is completely different from saying the engine is actually RUNNING rich.

It doesn't mean if I put my wideband on it that it is going to show that the engine is running rich. Because it isn't.
 
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The first part of this again goes on to support exactly what I'm saying.

The 2nd part with the exhaust system is also quite correct. And in the case of this car, the leak at the EGR tube COULD possibly cause this condition.

This is going to depend greatly on whether exhaust is escaping around EGR tube, or if it is drawing fresh air in. And of course the size of the leak in question.
 
beast,

will you provide the url to the entire document? It seems one of the better one on engine management.
 
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Replacement plugs should be double platinums.

Your plug in question may have been built faulty like that.
Insulators don't wear, but yours MAY have chipped off and then after many miles, the cause is obfuscated.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
beast,

will you provide the url to the entire document? It seems one of the better one on engine management.


It's Alldata.
 
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