Nissan Ester OIL 5W-30

[ualdep]

Hi, Im new to the forum. I have a new '09 Infiniti G37S 4dr; it came with Nissan Ester Oil 5W-30 I had my 1st oil chg @ 3800mi & analysis by Wear Check in N.C. It looks a lot like another Post: '08 Infiniti G37: Hi Silicon & Cu. I think HI iron & copper is typical of the break-in period; I didn't take mine to the track, but I do drive with 'spirit'! Since your silicon dropped a lot from the 1st oil change, I think that Nissan puts in a break-in additive in the Ester Oil; the mechanic said he thought so; Im going to Nissan Hdqtrs soon so maybe I can find out. In my BMW X5 & Toyota Highlander, I have always used M1 synth & Castrol full synthetic & typically went 8-10,000mi & changed it when the TAN doubled from its baseline; its too expensive to test for TBN & TAN.
Any thoughts?

 

[SERonBLAST]

Silicone is normal for break in as well. Depending on how much you have i wouldnt worry about it, if it was a high milage engine then i might investige further.

 

[ualdep]

Nissan Ester OIL 5W-30 Factory Fill
3900 mi,

Si = 204
iron=114
copper=147

Why doesnt the oil filter trap the Si ?

 

[SERonBLAST]

What kind of Ester oil is used?

 

[buster]

This ester oil really makes me question Nissan.

 

[SERonBLAST]

Originally Posted By: buster
This ester oil really makes me question Nissan.


Why would it? Do you doubt they use it at all?

 

[buster]

I'm questioning whether this oil really does anything, or if it's more of a marketing ploy to get customers to use this overpriced oil.

 

[SERonBLAST]

Originally Posted By: buster
I'm questioning whether this oil really does anything, or if it's more of a marketing ploy to get customers to use this overpriced oil.


Gotcha. I have seen tests and it does actually stand up to higher temps and sheering is almost 0.

But i do think that most products are ploys as well. I usually find them in the local Walmart. I also think that it is lower quality oil, same packaging but not the same oil as you can get at a real shop. Same thing as the rubber used for the tires, not the same as you get from the dealer or tire shops. Just a rumour i heard.

 

[JonfromCB]

buster, Nissan developed it to do two things, which it does
very well. 1st, the proprietory ester they use carries
nano-particles of carbon or diamond dust that adheres to
Nissan's plasma coated (DLC) engine parts to reduce friction
between those coated parts allowing them to raise their
fleet mileage in CAFE standard testing. Second, because they
use a solid carbon based friction modifier instead of a
petroleum based friction modifier in their oil, it does
not burn and change into a measurable polutant that comes
out the tailpipe. The carbon particles that do pass through
the engine simply come out the back end as a non-polutant.
This has allowed Nissan to lower their emissions and raise
their fleet mileage....all by simply using their oil.
The problem is for the consumer, Their base/carrier
oil doesn't stand up to the heat and recommended OCI
and it's rediculously expensive.

 

[buster]

Thanks Jon, makes sense. The last part is what concerns me about it and I'd rather trade-off for an oil that handles the heat better personally.

 

[MolaKule]

Quote:
the proprietory ester they use carries
nano-particles of carbon or diamond dust that adheres to
Nissan's plasma coated (DLC) engine parts to reduce friction
between those coated parts allowing them to raise their
fleet mileage in CAFE standard testing. Second, because they
use a solid carbon based friction modifier instead of a
petroleum based friction modifier in their oil, it does
not burn and change into a measurable polutant that comes
out the tailpipe. The carbon particles that do pass through
the engine simply come out the back end as a non-polutant.
This has allowed Nissan to lower their emissions and raise
their fleet mileage....all by simply using their oil.


Why would they need an additional friction modifier if they already have a Friction reduction coating?

Most friction modifiers are not petroleum based but are based on synthesized fatty acids.

Anything that comes out of the tailpipe (except water) is a pollutant.

 

[JonfromCB]

MolaKule, Why an additional friction Modifier? According to
Nissan, to further decrease friction between the plasma
coated parts in their engines and increase fleet mileage.
From what I've read a solid non-aeromatic organic carbon
nano-particle passes through the engine as a non-pollutant.
You'll have to take you're comments/arguments about it
being a pollutant to the EPA/CAFE and not to me as it's not
my claim. I personally think Nissan is doing some ground
breaking development in engine lubrication with plasma
coatings and oil additives/chemistry that is still in it's infancy.

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/tabid/59/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/912/Revenge-of-the-Nerd--Nissan-in-the-sump-with-diamonds.aspx's

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
buster, Nissan developed it to do two things, which it does
very well. 1st, the proprietory ester they use carries
nano-particles of carbon or diamond dust that adheres to
Nissan's plasma coated (DLC) engine parts to reduce friction
between those coated parts allowing them to raise their
fleet mileage in CAFE standard testing. Second, because they
use a solid carbon based friction modifier instead of a
petroleum based friction modifier in their oil, it does
not burn and change into a measurable polutant that comes
out the tailpipe. The carbon particles that do pass through
the engine simply come out the back end as a non-polutant.
This has allowed Nissan to lower their emissions and raise
their fleet mileage....all by simply using their oil.
The problem is for the consumer, Their base/carrier
oil doesn't stand up to the heat and recommended OCI
and it's rediculously expensive.

This is off-topic but why are you hitting the enter key after each line you type? There is no need to do that, and it is incredibly annoying to read.

 

[MolaKule]

I agree with the Critic, quit hitting the return key and let the sentences wrap themselves.



Quote:
From what I've read a solid non-aeromatic organic carbon nano-particle passes through the engine as a non-pollutant.


Atoms can come out of the exhaust as solids or gasses. Some come out as molecules such s NOx, etc. Neither their coatings nor their over-hyped and expensive oils can violate the laws of physics and chemistry. How are they defining pollutants and non-pollutants? How do these carbon atoms not bond with hydrogen and oxygen in an energy intensive combustion process and stay virgin, even if they are nano-particles?

Surely the Nissan engineers have read Chapter 11 of Heywoods book on "Pollutant Formation and Control."

 

[buster]

The whole thing is weird to be honest.

 

[SERonBLAST]

Ester oil is what jets use, my car is like a jet.
need i say more?

 

[edhackett]

The problem with the Nissan Ester oil is that it's not named for the base oil. It's named after someone's great aunt.

Ed

 

[440Magnum]

Originally Posted By: buster
Thanks Jon, makes sense.


Not really.

I think he was writing parody.