Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Just ftr- I'm done with this thread, in case anyone is looking for me to comment.
The fact that Seafoam is carb cleaner, a product that cannot be used near rubber seals on brakes, says everything we need to know about using it in an engine with a complex and often fragile seal system.
NEHEMI cannot let the consensus come down on the side of Seafoam being bad for engine seals, since he's used it recklessly in so many people's cars. He also suffers from a slew of cognitive biases on the matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cognitive_biases
In particular:
Post-purchase rationalization
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Post-purchase rationalization is a common phenomenon after people have invested significant time, money, or effort in something to convince themselves that it must have been worth it. Many decisions are made emotionally, and so are often rationalized retrospectively in an attempt to justify the choice.[1]
This rationalization is based on the principle of commitment and the psychological desire to stay consistent to that commitment. Some authorities would also consider this rationalization a manifestation of cognitive dissonance.
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People here who are smart enough to realize this already know Seafoam does not belong in an engine.
People who "want to believe", I'm not wasting my time on them.
Enjoy your mushy seals.
I'm out.
1st - where are the Mod's to stop this guy from these personal attacks? He has accused me of being paid to support products I like and he continually posts this kind of stuff where he calls me reckless, crazy, etc... and is allowed to continue.
2nd - unsupported claims about a product you clearly have never used have little credibility with most people. It has nothing to do with me refusing to listen to a consensus or not being as smart as you either. I asked you, and those posting along the same lines you have been, to provide us some proof SF has caused engine damage( seals and gaskets, bearings, etc... )and you have not. Why is that? Because you will have an almost impossible time doing so. You may find an isolated instance out ther somewhere but the overwhelming reviews on SF are highly positive. That speaks louder than anything you say. You can slam me all you want, call me reckless and stupid, accuse me of being on the take( which I am NOT! ), and even use Wikipedia links to personaility disorders to try and make me look bad. Knock yourself out it just makes me look better in the unbiased readers eye. None of that stuff however validates your views and stance on this. It just shows you have nothing to back yourself up so you attack me personally instead.
3rd - the consensus is hardly that Seafoam is bad for engine seals. It is only a portion of posters saying that and it is clear those doing so have never even used it. Hardly a convincing argument on your, or their, part. 1/2 dozen guys repeatedly saying it is bad, with no proof offered or any personal experience to back that up, is hardly a consensus. I would say the fact everyone who has posted to this point that has actually used it, and claimed only good results, is the real consensus. Never used and making claims a product is unsafe and not to be used vs actually used and saying nothing but good. HMMM...Who to believe?
4th - funny how you say I won't let this go yet you are the one so desperate to try and sway other's opinions to your view and you are the one getting angry, attacking others, and making unsupported claims about SF. I have actually used the product for decades and never had an issue. You have never used it yet you can tell myself and those who have it is unsafe? I could care less if you use it or not. My issue with you and some others are the claims it is unsafe to use( and things like you calling me reckless for using it in other people's vehicles )when I know from personal experience that is false.
5th - Seafoam is NOT a carb cleaner in the manner you are attributing to it. It was not even designed for that purpose originally. That came/was discovered later. It was originally designed as a fuel stabilizer/treatment to stop varnish and gumnmy deposits forming in marine fuel systems when the fuel sat.
You should leave this thread and refrain from further comment until such time as you find proof to support your claims or actually use it yourself. Otherwise what you offer up is sort of useless. Show me some real proof of it being unsafe and causing damage as you claim( more than an isolated instance )and I will be the 1st to acknolwedge it and say you were right.
Just ftr- I'm done with this thread, in case anyone is looking for me to comment.
The fact that Seafoam is carb cleaner, a product that cannot be used near rubber seals on brakes, says everything we need to know about using it in an engine with a complex and often fragile seal system.
NEHEMI cannot let the consensus come down on the side of Seafoam being bad for engine seals, since he's used it recklessly in so many people's cars. He also suffers from a slew of cognitive biases on the matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cognitive_biases
In particular:
Post-purchase rationalization
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Post-purchase rationalization is a common phenomenon after people have invested significant time, money, or effort in something to convince themselves that it must have been worth it. Many decisions are made emotionally, and so are often rationalized retrospectively in an attempt to justify the choice.[1]
This rationalization is based on the principle of commitment and the psychological desire to stay consistent to that commitment. Some authorities would also consider this rationalization a manifestation of cognitive dissonance.
-----------------------------------------------------
People here who are smart enough to realize this already know Seafoam does not belong in an engine.
People who "want to believe", I'm not wasting my time on them.
Enjoy your mushy seals.
I'm out.
1st - where are the Mod's to stop this guy from these personal attacks? He has accused me of being paid to support products I like and he continually posts this kind of stuff where he calls me reckless, crazy, etc... and is allowed to continue.
2nd - unsupported claims about a product you clearly have never used have little credibility with most people. It has nothing to do with me refusing to listen to a consensus or not being as smart as you either. I asked you, and those posting along the same lines you have been, to provide us some proof SF has caused engine damage( seals and gaskets, bearings, etc... )and you have not. Why is that? Because you will have an almost impossible time doing so. You may find an isolated instance out ther somewhere but the overwhelming reviews on SF are highly positive. That speaks louder than anything you say. You can slam me all you want, call me reckless and stupid, accuse me of being on the take( which I am NOT! ), and even use Wikipedia links to personaility disorders to try and make me look bad. Knock yourself out it just makes me look better in the unbiased readers eye. None of that stuff however validates your views and stance on this. It just shows you have nothing to back yourself up so you attack me personally instead.
3rd - the consensus is hardly that Seafoam is bad for engine seals. It is only a portion of posters saying that and it is clear those doing so have never even used it. Hardly a convincing argument on your, or their, part. 1/2 dozen guys repeatedly saying it is bad, with no proof offered or any personal experience to back that up, is hardly a consensus. I would say the fact everyone who has posted to this point that has actually used it, and claimed only good results, is the real consensus. Never used and making claims a product is unsafe and not to be used vs actually used and saying nothing but good. HMMM...Who to believe?
4th - funny how you say I won't let this go yet you are the one so desperate to try and sway other's opinions to your view and you are the one getting angry, attacking others, and making unsupported claims about SF. I have actually used the product for decades and never had an issue. You have never used it yet you can tell myself and those who have it is unsafe? I could care less if you use it or not. My issue with you and some others are the claims it is unsafe to use( and things like you calling me reckless for using it in other people's vehicles )when I know from personal experience that is false.
5th - Seafoam is NOT a carb cleaner in the manner you are attributing to it. It was not even designed for that purpose originally. That came/was discovered later. It was originally designed as a fuel stabilizer/treatment to stop varnish and gumnmy deposits forming in marine fuel systems when the fuel sat.
You should leave this thread and refrain from further comment until such time as you find proof to support your claims or actually use it yourself. Otherwise what you offer up is sort of useless. Show me some real proof of it being unsafe and causing damage as you claim( more than an isolated instance )and I will be the 1st to acknolwedge it and say you were right.
