No one mentioned esters competing with anti-wear additives as a reason for RL's poor UOA showing. Shell and XOM both claim this. Something to consider. Doesn't anyone else find it ironic that Shell uses Group III blends for their Ferrari F1 team?
Looks like RedLine is a relative bargain compared to Amsoil.quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
427 - Actually it's even more than that for single quarts at catalog prices.
Respectfully, there are several problems with this statement. First, while it may be accurate as to KBF's actual knowledge, it's inaccurate otherwise. There are, as another poster noted, several brands on the market that make heavy use of G-V base oils. In addition, virtually none of the commercially available oils are purely composed of one base or another. Even RL contains PAOs in its mixes, so it's not a "pure" G-V, but also contains G-IV as well.quote:
Originally posted by KBFXDLI:
Redline is the only group V synthetic oil on the market that I have heard of. Don't have any UOA's. But Amsoil & Mobil1 are Group IV which just aren't as good. Plus Redline is about the same price as Amsoil. Mobil1 is a little cheaper.
A little defensive aren't we Pabs? Find one post from me where I criticized Amsoil other than stating factual information. Further, in +4,000 posts, I believe I mentioned Amsoil maybe 4 times.quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
427 I know you don't like Amsoil, but why do spend so much time telling the world?
Yes I read your post. And no I didn't leave any words out in my posts. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I was interested in 5 qts of Amsoil Series 2K or 3K and I wanted to get an idea of what it would cost me?quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
Did you read my post? Didn't think so. Please restate what you wrote. You left out a few words.
Basis?quote:
Originally posted by LeeRoy:
No
Red Line is predominantly POE, but according to onw of their own chemists, it does contain some PAO as well. Buster (Member 576) actually called them to discuss this, and has posted regarding this conversation on a number of occasions. Click here to see a recent example.quote:
Originally posted by C.O. Jones:
IMHO, on paper, its the best I've seen, pure ester base and the VOA numbers are great.
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Interesting. I see people here "go public" and mention prices all the time. In fact, your first post in this thread YOU mentioned prices. Looking at the BITOG rules, the only one I spotted that remotely applies is from rule 8.) Members agree that, except with the owner’s prior consent, they shall not solicit or promote any products services or other sites by posting direct links of any sales pages of any products in this forum. I wasn't soliciting or promoting anything, which is why I chose the corporate website as not to promote any one person. And I did specify the product and quantity I was interested in.quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
427 - If you want an idea of what something costs typically (according to the BiTOG rules) you don't go public and further you typically specify what product you are talking about.
I wasn't talking about a "majority of Amsoil's motor oils". I responded to your response of a particular Amsoil product vs the RedLine discussed here. As far as what is public, if I want to buy some RedLine, I can go to a local store and price it, or go to numerous websites to find the retail and website price, along with tax and shipping costs. Can I do the same with Amsoil? Far as I can tell, no, since the price you quote here, and what I can glean from the plethora of Amsoil websites is quite different. If you can't advertise the price you can sell it to me, fine, send me a PM. Until I see some type of firm price quote, I just consider it a PR job or a salesman bait and switch maneuver. So would you stop accusing me of hating Amsoil oils!! The two or three times a year I even ask a question about Amsoil you immediately go into the paranoid Amsoil salesman mode and get your panties in a bunch. Hint, you'll likely find I won't do business with such people nor recommend them to others.quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
Your statement is simply incorrect about the majority of Amsoil's motor oils, it is public and I needed to set the set the record straight. I would have ZERO problem if:
You said "Comparing Amsoil catalog prices for S2K and S3K to Redline discount pricing, Redline is a relative price bargain."
Factual and true.
What is the Redline suggested retail price? What is the price of most of Amsoil's motor oils?