Mazda's diesel to take on hybrids
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Interesting. I've been waiting for someone other than VW to put a diesel in a car.
In fact, I contacted Subaru the other day asking if they had plans to bring a diesel here since I found articles about their new boxer diesel that they're selling in Eurpoean-spec models. I got a very nice reply the next day that they're still looking into it and have added me to a list of interested people.
In fact, I contacted Subaru the other day asking if they had plans to bring a diesel here since I found articles about their new boxer diesel that they're selling in Eurpoean-spec models. I got a very nice reply the next day that they're still looking into it and have added me to a list of interested people.
Originally Posted By: shrooms
.... If the price were right along with maintainance cost, etc. Heck, I'll go for it.
Exactly. I've been chomping at the bit to get a diesel, don't know why, but I really want one. But I can't justify a Dodge Ram with a Cummins or anything like that....
.... If the price were right along with maintainance cost, etc. Heck, I'll go for it.
Exactly. I've been chomping at the bit to get a diesel, don't know why, but I really want one. But I can't justify a Dodge Ram with a Cummins or anything like that....
In the 80's I think Ford had a diesel escort here and Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
I'd love to see more diesels instead of all this hybrid nonsense. C'mon Ford and GM!
I was interested in the Nissan Leaf 100% electric until I saw the $34,000 price tag.
We are having a hybrid fad now. The diesel fad was in the 80's. You don't expect the masses to make logical decisions do you?
If Mazda can make the Diesel quiet and easy to maintain, it may do very well in the U.S. Some people will shy away due to the clatter and they may remember the GM fiasco in the 80's.
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I'm pretty sure that Mazda can make a diesel that's reliable, clean, powerful, and fuel-efficient. Easy to maintain may be a stretch. As long as it goes a while between maintenance, needing to remove a lot to do fairly routine things is okay by me.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
In the 80's I think Ford had a diesel escort here and Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
Chevy also stuck one in the Chevette.
Sadly, I didn't have an income to support buying my own car until about 1985....and really couldn't swing a new one until about '89.
In the 80's I think Ford had a diesel escort here and Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
Chevy also stuck one in the Chevette.
Sadly, I didn't have an income to support buying my own car until about 1985....and really couldn't swing a new one until about '89.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
In the 80's I think Ford had a diesel escort here and Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
I had a 85 Escort wagon 2.0 diesel and a 84 Tempo 2.0 diesel at the same time then. Both cars got 45MPG town and 52 MPG hyw. Mazda diesels.
In the 80's I think Ford had a diesel escort here and Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
I had a 85 Escort wagon 2.0 diesel and a 84 Tempo 2.0 diesel at the same time then. Both cars got 45MPG town and 52 MPG hyw. Mazda diesels.
Listening to Mazdas and Hyundai diesels starting at work and the supermarket, you can tell from the noise of the starter that they aren't petrol, and cold clatter is very short, and quite subdued.
And most of them are being driven by women, so I really don't see the mass education programme to get used to them being necessary.
Now that the Holden commodore V-6 (an Oz family staple) is going to direct injection (spark ignition), I think that petrol engines are starting to outstrip even the common rail diesels in complexity.
And most of them are being driven by women, so I really don't see the mass education programme to get used to them being necessary.
Now that the Holden commodore V-6 (an Oz family staple) is going to direct injection (spark ignition), I think that petrol engines are starting to outstrip even the common rail diesels in complexity.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
It was of course an L series Toyota diesel. Why in the world would Toyota, mfg of many many small diesels, buy an engine from Volvo?
Charlie
Toyota had a nice volvo(?) diesel in the HiLux pickup stateside.
It was of course an L series Toyota diesel. Why in the world would Toyota, mfg of many many small diesels, buy an engine from Volvo?
Charlie
GM owned a portion of Volvo and Mazda. They sold Volvo to the Chinese and still own some of Mazda I think.
Ford owned Volvo cars, not Volvo trucks nor Volvo heavy equipment.
Ford has owned up to 33.9 of Mazda, and sometimes share in vehicle development. They cross-badge the vehicles with some Mazda vehicles sold with Ford nameplates, and some Ford vehicles sold with Mazda badges.
GM was never involved with either.
Ford has owned up to 33.9 of Mazda, and sometimes share in vehicle development. They cross-badge the vehicles with some Mazda vehicles sold with Ford nameplates, and some Ford vehicles sold with Mazda badges.
GM was never involved with either.
It was Ford that had an interest in Mazda and Volvo.
Mazda-6 morphed into the Fusion, Zephyr, MKZ, Milan, Edge, MKX. Don't like what Mazda did with the 6 over the years. Definitely like what Ford did with that platform.
Mazda diesel won't have a turbo. And, performance will be coming from gearing, and by making the vehicle as lean as possible. Not sure how much torque or horsepower they'll get out of a small 4-cyl non-turbo diesel. Do wish that other automakers step up and compete with VW.
The 323 weighed 2000lbs. The Mazda3 pushes 3000lbs. So, a diesel even with a turbo can be reasonably peppy if they can knock off 500lbs or more from the 3....
I think every vehicle needs to start with a diet.
Mazda-6 morphed into the Fusion, Zephyr, MKZ, Milan, Edge, MKX. Don't like what Mazda did with the 6 over the years. Definitely like what Ford did with that platform.
Mazda diesel won't have a turbo. And, performance will be coming from gearing, and by making the vehicle as lean as possible. Not sure how much torque or horsepower they'll get out of a small 4-cyl non-turbo diesel. Do wish that other automakers step up and compete with VW.
The 323 weighed 2000lbs. The Mazda3 pushes 3000lbs. So, a diesel even with a turbo can be reasonably peppy if they can knock off 500lbs or more from the 3....
I think every vehicle needs to start with a diet.
GM owns a part of Isuzu. I got mixed up.
What kind of transmission will Mazda offer with the diesel. I drove a diesel car in Germany which had a diesel engine and automatic transmission. The lag time between hitting the pedal and actually accelerating was terrible. Can anyone explain this problem to me?
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What kind of transmission will Mazda offer with the diesel. I drove a diesel car in Germany which had a diesel engine and automatic transmission. The lag time between hitting the pedal and actually accelerating was terrible. Can anyone explain this problem to me?
I've heard that VW's DSG automated manual transmissions had an issue with being overly slow to shift from a stop. Another possibility is turbo lag.
It's interesting that Mazda's going for normally aspirated. I think that the reason for NA diesels having much lower HP numbers compared to gasoline engines is because of their low rev-limit, since HP is directly related to both torque and RPM. Maybe Mazda figured out a way to make the internals light enough to support gasoline-like rev limits.
EDIT: Maybe their mentioned use of lower compression ratios helps them get away with lighter internals.
What kind of transmission will Mazda offer with the diesel. I drove a diesel car in Germany which had a diesel engine and automatic transmission. The lag time between hitting the pedal and actually accelerating was terrible. Can anyone explain this problem to me?
I've heard that VW's DSG automated manual transmissions had an issue with being overly slow to shift from a stop. Another possibility is turbo lag.
It's interesting that Mazda's going for normally aspirated. I think that the reason for NA diesels having much lower HP numbers compared to gasoline engines is because of their low rev-limit, since HP is directly related to both torque and RPM. Maybe Mazda figured out a way to make the internals light enough to support gasoline-like rev limits.
EDIT: Maybe their mentioned use of lower compression ratios helps them get away with lighter internals.
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