Hopefully this gets somewhere.
What's the Point?
This thread attempts to set up a VOA of Synlube, an oil that, at best, can be said to have some "extreme claims", and considered by many to be an outright scam. More controversy about Synlube can be found in a number of other threads, but that's not the point of this one.
This thread is to attempt to establish a VOA. To date, the owner of Synlube absolutely refuses all scientific inspection of oil. You can't even buy oil from him if you tell him you want to inspect or analyze it, on grounds that no one but him will be able to make heads or tails of it. Fortunately, Budman has agreed to provide an unused sample of Synlube Initial Fill, and possibly also other Synlube(s) he may have on hand.
What Are We Doing?
So what I propose is for some established member residing in NV, near Budman , to meet up and collect said sample(s) of Synlube, and send to Blackstone for:
- Standard Test ($22.50)
--- Spectral metals
--- Visc
--- Insolu. %
--- Flash
- Particle Count ($22.00)
- Spec. Gravity ($21.00)
- Visc @ 100F ($34.00)
What For?
Now, the rest of us unwashed masses may not understand "colloidal tribology", but if Mirox Corporation's claims are at all grounded in reality, and its advertising at all legal, then it should be relatively trivial to determine that:
- Standard test should show an extremely high moly content (in magnitude of parts per thousand) in the spectral analysis.
- Insolu. % high above 0.
- Visc@100F and Visc@220F should support the fact that the oil is remotely "SAE 5W50".
- Particle count should return non-zero, due to suspected moly.
- Specific gravity should be high above 0.85 g/mL, that of an average oil (which are often around 0.85 g/mL), due to a high content of suspended transition metals.
And...?
These are simple, objective, scientific tests that directly conclude whether or not the claims by Mirox Corporation is true or false, and thus whether or not their advertising is factual and legal, whether or not someone agrees or disagrees with the performance claims of Synlube.
As a null hypothesis, if, instead of "colloidal moly suspended in oil", Synlube is, as many hypothesizes, simply blacked/used HDEO oil (Exxon-Mobil Delvac?), then:
- Spectral metals, spec. gravity should be consistent with any average HDEO oil.
- Viscosity should be consistent with HDEOs (roughly 15W-40?)
- Suspended particles in the virgin oil are simply that of burnt carbon deposits.
But we do not need to guess, and instead, can test.
Please do not argue in this thread, but only discuss items relevant to the testing of this oil.
What's the Point?
This thread attempts to set up a VOA of Synlube, an oil that, at best, can be said to have some "extreme claims", and considered by many to be an outright scam. More controversy about Synlube can be found in a number of other threads, but that's not the point of this one.
This thread is to attempt to establish a VOA. To date, the owner of Synlube absolutely refuses all scientific inspection of oil. You can't even buy oil from him if you tell him you want to inspect or analyze it, on grounds that no one but him will be able to make heads or tails of it. Fortunately, Budman has agreed to provide an unused sample of Synlube Initial Fill, and possibly also other Synlube(s) he may have on hand.
What Are We Doing?
So what I propose is for some established member residing in NV, near Budman , to meet up and collect said sample(s) of Synlube, and send to Blackstone for:
- Standard Test ($22.50)
--- Spectral metals
--- Visc
--- Insolu. %
--- Flash
- Particle Count ($22.00)
- Spec. Gravity ($21.00)
- Visc @ 100F ($34.00)
What For?
Now, the rest of us unwashed masses may not understand "colloidal tribology", but if Mirox Corporation's claims are at all grounded in reality, and its advertising at all legal, then it should be relatively trivial to determine that:
- Standard test should show an extremely high moly content (in magnitude of parts per thousand) in the spectral analysis.
- Insolu. % high above 0.
- Visc@100F and Visc@220F should support the fact that the oil is remotely "SAE 5W50".
- Particle count should return non-zero, due to suspected moly.
- Specific gravity should be high above 0.85 g/mL, that of an average oil (which are often around 0.85 g/mL), due to a high content of suspended transition metals.
And...?
These are simple, objective, scientific tests that directly conclude whether or not the claims by Mirox Corporation is true or false, and thus whether or not their advertising is factual and legal, whether or not someone agrees or disagrees with the performance claims of Synlube.
As a null hypothesis, if, instead of "colloidal moly suspended in oil", Synlube is, as many hypothesizes, simply blacked/used HDEO oil (Exxon-Mobil Delvac?), then:
- Spectral metals, spec. gravity should be consistent with any average HDEO oil.
- Viscosity should be consistent with HDEOs (roughly 15W-40?)
- Suspended particles in the virgin oil are simply that of burnt carbon deposits.
But we do not need to guess, and instead, can test.
Please do not argue in this thread, but only discuss items relevant to the testing of this oil.
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