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#1586755 - 09/02/09 11:59 AM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: PT1]
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Registered: 02/01/03
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Dealers are clueless. So, I wouldn't ever ask them anything.

May you? Its a free country and you can if you want.

One of the issues with back spec'ing an ATF is testing it. There is no reason to waste that expense, or to offend an owner by telling them their $2 fluid isn't good enough and you have to use a $7 fluid.

And, I wouldn't use a 7.4cst ATF in a transmission that requires a 6cst fluid since the selection of thinner ATF's like Redline D6, Amsoil ATL, and Amalie would be better choices.

I am glad to see additional universal multivehicle ATFs on the market. I find it funny that sometimes the 'maker' won't offend other manufacturers. Why is Duradrive good enough for WS but not DexronVI, MerconLV/SP or....?

Wishful thinking if you think all automakers will allow you to buy fluid at a local store. How would the dealer parts department stay in business? Most of the industry already dumped Dexron and there is nothing that says they'll adapt DexVI.
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#1586914 - 09/02/09 02:07 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: unDummy]
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Originally Posted By: unDummy
Dealers are clueless. So, I wouldn't ever ask them anything.

May you? Its a free country and you can if you want.

One of the issues with back spec'ing an ATF is testing it. There is no reason to waste that expense, or to offend an owner by telling them their $2 fluid isn't good enough and you have to use a $7 fluid.

And, I wouldn't use a 7.4cst ATF in a transmission that requires a 6cst fluid since the selection of thinner ATF's like Redline D6, Amsoil ATL, and Amalie would be better choices.

I am glad to see additional universal multivehicle ATFs on the market. I find it funny that sometimes the 'maker' won't offend other manufacturers. Why is Duradrive good enough for WS but not DexronVI, MerconLV/SP or....?

Wishful thinking if you think all automakers will allow you to buy fluid at a local store. How would the dealer parts department stay in business? Most of the industry already dumped Dexron and there is nothing that says they'll adapt DexVI.





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#1600021 - 09/14/09 03:27 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: lexus114]
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Devo,

Do you think a typical Dexron VI fluid would be close enough to substitute the Toyota WS? Both seems to be very low visc.
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#1600575 - 09/15/09 12:23 AM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: PandaBear]
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I do and you should read the label for Supertech DexronVI.
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#1601453 - 09/15/09 08:11 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: Devo]
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Registered: 05/01/03
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That is funny because Walmart's brand of Dex VI clearly states onthe front of the bottle that it is acceptable replacement for T-IV and and WS???? So what to do know? On top of that my Mom's Tundra calls for Dex III right on the dip stick and that is what we have used since day one was Mobil-1 ATF Dex-III and one time I had to use Maxlife ATF Dex-III.....Later on that some transmission with no material changes internaly went to T-IV and I am going to guess that if it has not gone to WS it shortly will? So one has to really wounder what is the major difference in formula's if Dex-VI, Dex-III, T-IV,WS and Redline D4 all seem to be able to produce suitable performance from a durability and normal functionality stand point????

My Mother's Camry is a 2007 and I am guessing it calls for WS and I have heard nothing but good things about people useing Dex-VI in it. Like wise I have only heard good things about Dex-VI in Toyota truck tranines calling for Dex-III or T-IV? So I think often we get into a situation where while their is a major difference in viscosity inthe bottle the operating viscosity that the transmission see's is acceptable. You have to consider what viscosity a given product is at -30F and at 120F and once you look at that large of a range then anything that falls into that ball park will more then likely work so long as the coefficient of friction is close then the viscosity deviation is really not a big deal! This is why so many products can claim so many different acceptable use's in so many different models! The products that are never listed are the ones that need a particular and drasticly different coefficient of friction then most other ATF's like Chrysler's ATF+4 or Fords Mercon etc....

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#1601575 - 09/15/09 09:38 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: lexus114]
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Registered: 02/06/07
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Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: unDummy
Dealers are clueless. So, I wouldn't ever ask them anything.

May you? Its a free country and you can if you want.

One of the issues with back spec'ing an ATF is testing it. There is no reason to waste that expense, or to offend an owner by telling them their $2 fluid isn't good enough and you have to use a $7 fluid.

And, I wouldn't use a 7.4cst ATF in a transmission that requires a 6cst fluid since the selection of thinner ATF's like Redline D6, Amsoil ATL, and Amalie would be better choices.

I am glad to see additional universal multivehicle ATFs on the market. I find it funny that sometimes the 'maker' won't offend other manufacturers. Why is Duradrive good enough for WS but not DexronVI, MerconLV/SP or....?

Wishful thinking if you think all automakers will allow you to buy fluid at a local store. How would the dealer parts department stay in business? Most of the industry already dumped Dexron and there is nothing that says they'll adapt DexVI.





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#1601605 - 09/15/09 10:07 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: PT1]
tomcat27 Offline


Registered: 06/25/09
Posts: 2517
Loc: Midwest
Amsoil has a fluid for the Toyota WS spec - ATL. It also works for Dex VI.
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#1601606 - 09/15/09 10:08 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: tomcat27]
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Registered: 06/25/09
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now, as for Toyota's manual/dipstick confusion....
my 02 Echo clearly states T-IV. a friend's Camry specs Dex III - now, I understand that they are different trannys, but still..... they're not thinkin with their dipstick


Edited by tomcat27 (09/15/09 10:09 PM)
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#1603057 - 09/17/09 01:20 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: Donald]
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Registered: 06/18/07
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Loc: north carolina
thats what we do with our two yotas.
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#1603526 - 09/17/09 10:41 PM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: mikeg5]
Clipse3GT Offline


Registered: 09/13/09
Posts: 25
Loc: Cleveland,OH
I used Redline D6 ATF in my girlfriend Yaris which is rated for Toyota WS. She has been driving it for over 5000 miles no, no slipping, no noise, no issues. Just FYI.

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#1606368 - 09/21/09 03:29 AM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: Clipse3GT]
Kurt_Hectic Offline


Registered: 01/14/09
Posts: 11
Loc: France
Thanks every body :)

Now, I have replaced TOYOTA ATF T-IV by MOBIL 1 ATF (new formula),it has JWS3309 and TOYOTA T-IV identifications,and it work fine.

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#1606443 - 09/21/09 07:51 AM Re: TOYOTA T-IV ? TOYOTA ATF WS ? May i to replace? [Re: Kurt_Hectic]
mikeg5 Offline


Registered: 06/18/07
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Loc: north carolina
Originally Posted By: Kurt_Hectic
Thanks every body :)

Now, I have replaced TOYOTA ATF T-IV by MOBIL 1 ATF (new formula),it has JWS3309 and TOYOTA T-IV identifications,and it work fine.


that will work too. i like amsoil better but its personnal preference
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