Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
Alternatives for Castrol 10w60 TWS for M3
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Not sure what you mean by "readily available". Redline 10w-60 can be purchased on line.
Originally Posted By: z1le
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
Use Redline 5w-50, 0w-40, or 10w-60.
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
Use Redline 5w-50, 0w-40, or 10w-60.
Originally Posted By: z1le
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
By the way, I run Castro,l Edge 5w-30 in my E93 M3 with much better results than I got from any 10w-560 I tried.
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
By the way, I run Castro,l Edge 5w-30 in my E93 M3 with much better results than I got from any 10w-560 I tried.
Originally Posted By: z1le
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
If there were a more readily available alternative that is also good, you wouldn't have to go to the trouble of seeking it out on an oil forum.
TWS is made specifically for M engines. Anything else is a gamble. I can think of a few oils that might be good alternatives, but they are harder to get.
If you're having trouble tracking down TWS, find a place online that will sell it by the case and stock up. I bet you could find a good deal that way, too.
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
If there were a more readily available alternative that is also good, you wouldn't have to go to the trouble of seeking it out on an oil forum.
TWS is made specifically for M engines. Anything else is a gamble. I can think of a few oils that might be good alternatives, but they are harder to get.
If you're having trouble tracking down TWS, find a place online that will sell it by the case and stock up. I bet you could find a good deal that way, too.
As a BMW non M owner I'd possibly look at say Redline in XW50 or XW40 viscosity. Great film strength, NOACK, and pour points should get the job done imo.
Originally Posted By: WGermany
What is wrong with the Castrol oil that's made for BMW engines ?
Have you seen the analysis? It is sinfully weak!
What is wrong with the Castrol oil that's made for BMW engines ?
Have you seen the analysis? It is sinfully weak!
TWS is readily available online at getBMWparts.com at a price less than the dealers charge, and with free shipping if you get six bottles and oem filter with it in a kit.
A popular alternative to the TWS is ELF/TOTAL 10w-50, advertised as made specifically for M engines. It costs a little less. Its used by a friend who tracks his e46 m3 a lot and he has gotten good UOAs with it.
As for TWS being sinfully weak, here's some opinions to the contrary -
www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1353856#Post1353856
Turns out TWS has a castor oil natural ester component in its blend. I don't think you can get an anti-wear package much better than that. But the proof is in the pudding. Here's a recent UOA on a 99.5k mile e46 m3 that's seen some track time plus normal street use during the OCI -
http://m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=281620
I think that's a pretty good UOA myself.
A popular alternative to the TWS is ELF/TOTAL 10w-50, advertised as made specifically for M engines. It costs a little less. Its used by a friend who tracks his e46 m3 a lot and he has gotten good UOAs with it.
As for TWS being sinfully weak, here's some opinions to the contrary -
www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1353856#Post1353856
Turns out TWS has a castor oil natural ester component in its blend. I don't think you can get an anti-wear package much better than that. But the proof is in the pudding. Here's a recent UOA on a 99.5k mile e46 m3 that's seen some track time plus normal street use during the OCI -
http://m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=281620
I think that's a pretty good UOA myself.
Originally Posted By: m6pwr
TWS is readily available online at getBMWparts.com at a price less than the dealers charge, and with free shipping if you get six bottles and oem filter with it in a kit.
A popular alternative to the TWS is ELF/TOTAL 10w-50, advertised as made specifically for M engines. It costs a little less. Its used by a friend who tracks his e46 m3 a lot and he has gotten good UOAs with it.
As for TWS being sinfully weak, here's some opinions to the contrary -
www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1353856#Post1353856
Turns out TWS has a castor oil natural ester component in its blend. I don't think you can get an anti-wear package much better than that. But the proof is in the pudding. Here's a recent UOA on a 99.5k mile e46 m3 that's seen some track time plus normal street use during the OCI -
http://m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=281620
I think that's a pretty good UOA myself.
No offense meant, but I do not give Blackstone analysis any credence. I personally use Redline 5w-30 in my E93 and it looks fantastic. I see no reason to go thicker. Although i do have Redline 10w-40 in it now because I had it on hand and was too cheap to but 10 new quarts. I do lose 2% power with each grade in viscosity. The 10w-60 dynos at 38 less horsepower than Redline 5w-30 to the wheels. I am not so crazy about that either.
TWS is readily available online at getBMWparts.com at a price less than the dealers charge, and with free shipping if you get six bottles and oem filter with it in a kit.
A popular alternative to the TWS is ELF/TOTAL 10w-50, advertised as made specifically for M engines. It costs a little less. Its used by a friend who tracks his e46 m3 a lot and he has gotten good UOAs with it.
As for TWS being sinfully weak, here's some opinions to the contrary -
www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1353856#Post1353856
Turns out TWS has a castor oil natural ester component in its blend. I don't think you can get an anti-wear package much better than that. But the proof is in the pudding. Here's a recent UOA on a 99.5k mile e46 m3 that's seen some track time plus normal street use during the OCI -
http://m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=281620
I think that's a pretty good UOA myself.
No offense meant, but I do not give Blackstone analysis any credence. I personally use Redline 5w-30 in my E93 and it looks fantastic. I see no reason to go thicker. Although i do have Redline 10w-40 in it now because I had it on hand and was too cheap to but 10 new quarts. I do lose 2% power with each grade in viscosity. The 10w-60 dynos at 38 less horsepower than Redline 5w-30 to the wheels. I am not so crazy about that either.
Redline XW50 should be a good alternative imo.
I thought I was extreme when I dumped the factory 10W60, and replaced with 300V 5W40 in my Z4M, you're step above!
Originally Posted By: johnbottilaw
Originally Posted By: z1le
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
By the way, I run Castro,l Edge 5w-30 in my E93 M3 with much better results than I got from any 10w-560 I tried.
Originally Posted By: johnbottilaw
Originally Posted By: z1le
Hi guys. Title says it, I would like some help in finding a good, readily available alternative to the factory required Castrol 10w60 TWS for my e46 M3. I have seen some guys go with the Mobil 1 15w50, but I wanted some real information from some enlightened people. Has anyone done a comparison between these two as far as UOA? Other brands? Thanks in advance for the insight.
By the way, I run Castro,l Edge 5w-30 in my E93 M3 with much better results than I got from any 10w-560 I tried.
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Mobil 1 has just come out with a 10W-60 grade.
I'd be interested in trying something different in my, new-to-me, 03 M3.
Caterham: where'd you see the Mobil 10w60?
Caterham: where'd you see the Mobil 10w60?
The M1 product is called
Mobil 1 Extended Life 10W-60 .
You should be able to find it on their website, if not let me know and I'll try to find the link.
Mobil 1 Extended Life 10W-60 .
You should be able to find it on their website, if not let me know and I'll try to find the link.
I'm afraid it likely is only available in Europe.
To view a PDS anyway, go to member 'yannis' as he posted it.
To view a PDS anyway, go to member 'yannis' as he posted it.
Originally Posted By: johnbottilaw
Originally Posted By: WGermany
What is wrong with the Castrol oil that's made for BMW engines ?
Have you seen the analysis? It is sinfully weak!
I find it hard to believe that an oil chosen by BMW M to protect their undersquare >100 hp/L engine (the S54) is that weak.
Originally Posted By: WGermany
What is wrong with the Castrol oil that's made for BMW engines ?
Have you seen the analysis? It is sinfully weak!
I find it hard to believe that an oil chosen by BMW M to protect their undersquare >100 hp/L engine (the S54) is that weak.
It is weaker than your 300V 5W40~
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: johnbottilaw
Originally Posted By: WGermany
What is wrong with the Castrol oil that's made for BMW engines ?
Have you seen the analysis? It is sinfully weak!
I find it hard to believe that an oil chosen by BMW M to protect their undersquare >100 hp/L engine (the S54) is that weak.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: johnbottilaw
Originally Posted By: WGermany
What is wrong with the Castrol oil that's made for BMW engines ?
Have you seen the analysis? It is sinfully weak!
I find it hard to believe that an oil chosen by BMW M to protect their undersquare >100 hp/L engine (the S54) is that weak.
Any thoughts on the new Rotella T 5w-40 for this engine during a Canadian winter? Terry mentioned a while back to me that it was going to be a wonderful product...
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