Bi-tron ( or bitron oil additive )

[GrampsintheSand]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Sounds like a kind of pyramid deal to me. I will not be buying any Bitron or Bi-tron. I will stay with Auto-RX. Thanks GrampsintheSand.

Your welcome.

 

[GrampsintheSand]

Originally Posted By: magnumpi28
Stony says you can view some tests results here
http://www.bitronglobal.com/pdf/engine.pdf

and here

http://www.bitronglobal.com/engineformulation.html

Stony says More tests will be coming!

OK...your back with your sock puppet Stony huh?
Why is it when I Google this cut and paste "report" that I get nothing on the lab Nenelab Microbiology except BiTron "test". I Google Southwest Research Institute and get a kazillion pages.
Why doesn't this cut and paste homemade "lab report" reference any test procedures or certified standards? I tell you why. It is a homemade lab report with some cut and paste garbage to give it a sliver of credibility is why. Total and complete made up garbage. Not an ounce of verifiable data. A 2nd grader could have made those "results"...and oh look....it is posted on the BiTron website ONLY! Now if a certified real world lab would have done a report I could find that report posted on many websites.And the website is hosted in Portugal who just happens to not have any internet fraud laws. Many porn sites are hosted in Portugal and that is what BiTron is friend. Porn.
You must think we are all total morons to give any credibility to Stony or that obvious (and worthless) "lab result". You snake oil is worthless as your post. Go find a rock, sliver under it and do not come back out.

 

[Trajan]

I'll admit that I am somewhat ignorant when it comes to oil. For example, I used to use 20w-50 Castrol in a 1974 Ventura. Motor oil was motor oil to me. Outside of the weight, I knew nothing.

Then I came upon this site. I've learned more about oil, gas, filters, etc than I ever knew existed. It's this site that turned me away from using things like Zmax, Prolong, etc. It's this site that convinced me to use ARX. (Haven't used it in the Zed yet though.)

One of the things I've learned is to not fall for shills. And this thread is a perfect example of shilling. It's hard data I want, not some shill. And that is what I'm getting here. Shill.

I'm not interested in what some guy named Stony says. This person doesn't exsist. Repeatedly, three things are asked for. And repeatedly, they don't get posted. Instead it's the same somg and dance. A dog and pony show.

I've talked to my own mechanic, a man I've dealt with for 10 years. He has nothing good to say about this bitron. I've talked to BMW. They tell me that it's junk.

Now, I've seen nothing in the last seven pages to indicate otherwise. Instead, we get hemming and hawing. A 10 year old test done by bitron itself. And more of the worn out game Stony says.

 

[ADFD1]

Well said. I'm long time Lurker and I learned a lot from this site. I've been around the block too, and know when a shill is at work.

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[GMorg]

For those that like such things, here is a link from scam.com. It is primarily about the company strategy and not about the product.

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=1308&page=1

 

[GMorg]

Below is a link to the MSDS for this product. It doesn't list much. However, combustion produces hydrochloric acid. It clearly had chlorinated something in it.

http://www.extremelubrication.com/images/pdf/Engine_Treatment_MSDS.pdf

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
Carbon dioxide and carbon and traces of oxides of chlorine when heated in excess of 200 oC for prolonged periods.

And specific gravity greater than 1. Chlorinated indeed.

 

[GrampsintheSand]

Chlorinated Parrifin=snake oil slow death.

 

[Trajan]

But Stony says it's great stuff. But the OP has yet to use it.

 

[GrampsintheSand]

Stony is the man.
Stony sez eat more Cheeze Whiz that it is good for us.
Stony sez Cheeze Whiz if better than regular Cheese and we have a chart to prove it!
Here is a real chart. Done by Metnosky Labs in Poland.

 

[GrampsintheSand]

Originally Posted By: magnumpi28
oilboy- Bi-tron is treating the metal in the engine so the oil will work better. You can buy a better oil all you want but the best oil still (the motor) would benefit by bitron.

Gramps: I talked to stony and stony has more tests,in fact almost 4 mb's of tests in pdf format i just need to figure out a way to get it on here. Im working on it.

 

[GrampsintheSand]

Originally Posted By: GrampsintheSand
Stony is the man.
Stony sez eat more Cheeze Whiz that it is good for us.
Stony sez Cheeze Whiz if better than regular Cheese and we have a chart to prove it!
Here is a real chart. Done by Metnosky Labs in Poland.

Sorry I forgot Stonys seal of approval.

 

[magnumpi28]

Gramps said: "Lets see a VOA and we can all go from there. There is no MSDS sheet and no product info (of course)..."
And now, guess what? Someone posts the MSDS for bitron!!!
Gramps, I think you owe Stony an apology!


Tarjan said " I can claim that BMW won't honor the warranty because this bitron caused seal failure."

Interesting because bitron says the following and I quote"

Use of Bi-Ton cannot void any manufacturer warranty. A warranty covers the material and workmanship put into the equipment warranted. Improving on the minimum lubrication requirements recommended to allow equipment to survive the warranty period cannot negatively affect either the material or the quality of the assembly.
Bi-Tron carries extensive, and in 15 years untouched, product liability insurance. "

 

[magnumpi28]

Trajan says "I've talked to my own mechanic, a man I've dealt with for 10 years. He has nothing good to say about this bitron. I've talked to BMW. They tell me that it's junk"

Trajen, think about it my friend, why would your mechanic who gets PAID to fix your car and change your oil want you to use a product that will probably cause LESS repairs and LESS oil changes????? You have asked the wrong person dude for a UNBIAS opinion! Think about it! I expect this type of talk from old gramps-pa but not from you!

 

[magnumpi28]

As for the claims of what bi-tron has in it please read this:

"Bi-Tron lubricants are a unique 100% guaranteed pure petroleum-based metal treatment that is compatible with all motor oils, including synthetics as well as hydraulic and transmission fluids. Bi-Tron is not intended to replace the oil in your engine or the fluid in your transmission. Engine oil, for example, contains a package of oil additives designed to perform a variety of tasks crucial to engine performance. Unlike many oil additives and engine treatments, Bi-Tron will not interfere with engineered tolerances and cannot adversely affect engine performance. Bi-Tron contains no solids of any kind. It contains no plastic particles or P.T.F.E. resins (Poly Tetra Fluoro Ethylene also more commonly known as Teflon™). It contains no molybdenum disulfide or any potentially toxic and environmentally hazardous metals such as copper or lead or any other metal.
Bi-Tron Global does not endorse deviating in any manner from the manufacturer’s maintenance guidelines especially with respect to frequency of oil changes. Failure to regularly change your oil can result in the voiding of a manufacturer’s warranty. Using Bi-Tron products to reduce wear and improve lubrication CANNOT void a warranty. Your warranty actually covers the quality of material and workmanship that went into assembling your equipment/vehicle. Protecting the moving metal parts in your equipment/vehicle with a protective lubricating layer cannot void that warranty. Generally it is not that oil is worn out that requires oil changes; more often it is that the package of additives in the oil will have been exhausted and require replenishment."

 

[Trajan]

Well, I hate to break it to you, but what bitron says is meaningless. I'd rather listen to BMW, a car maunfacturer for decades, and an engine maker longer than that, over a shill.
They have far more credibility.

BTW, all my mechanic has done for this car is tires and an oil change every 7500 miles. (The car has a 15K OCI, but I feel better with a shorter interval.)

IOWs, all the work I've had on the car has been under warranty

So prove to me that they carry this "liability insurance." A new engine cost about $15,000. Buy the motor, and I'll use bitron.
Time to see just how much faith you have.

This MSDS. Kind of telling that neither you or this stony put it up. also kind of telling that you just flew over Tempest's post.
This MSDS makes an impression. Not a favorable one.

Also kind of hard for Gramps to apologize to someone who does not exsist.

You have yet to provide a UOA or VOA. The unfavorable MSDS was submitted by someone else. Another task in which you failed.

Why is that?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: magnumpi28
Trajan says "I've talked to my own mechanic, a man I've dealt with for 10 years. He has nothing good to say about this bitron. I've talked to BMW. They tell me that it's junk"

Trajen, think about it my friend, why would your mechanic who gets PAID to fix your car and change your oil want you to use a product that will probably cause LESS repairs and LESS oil changes????? You have asked the wrong person dude for a UNBIAS opinion! Think about it! I expect this type of talk from old gramps-pa but not from you!


So I should expect an unbiased opinion from you? One who has yet to use it?

I'll stick with using top quality oil.

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
Bi-Tron lubricants are a unique 100% guaranteed pure petroleum-based metal treatment

Pretty much any kind of "metal treatment" is chlorinated something.

 

[magnumpi28]

Trajen: A product that has sold 200 million dollars worth of product and you claiming it could blow up your engine is crazy!
Bi-tron wasnt just created last month. They have been around for years and years. This is almost like saying you wont drink a Pepsi cause you havent seen all the ingredients and it could make you sick. So why do you not drink Pepsi? Its because you know a lot of people who have drank pepsi and Pepsi has been around for years.
Its the same with Bi-tron.
1. Like Pepsi, Bi-tron has been around for years.
2. Like Pepsi who have few customer complaints and have sold millions of dollars worth same goes with Bi-tron. Bitron has sold millions of dollars worth and if engines were being destoyed you would have heard about it. (i think its 200 million dollars in sales last stony told me.)
3. Stony says Bi-tron comes with a money back guarentee and has product liability. What really is your risk? Heck, they will even refund the purchase of the bottle!

Stony has given us videos of race car teams testing it.
Stony have given us testimonials from people who have used it.

Until you buy a bottle i think it is unfair you say it doesnt work. Why dont you call Pepsi and tell them you wont drink a Pepsi until they can give you all the ingredients , how much of the ingredient they put it and do some tests?

Its kind of funny, out of all the rebuttal posts that I have posted, The evedince that has been presented, even when i or someone else show that someone on here was clearly mistaken, no one can even say "Im Right about ONE thing".

If you dont believe Stony why dont you call Bi-tron and ask them for a copy of there product liability, heck, its even an 800 number so the call wouldnt even cost you anything!

One thing that is kind or ironic, no matter what tests stony gives me and i post someone finds fault, weather its the video of the racecar team or the other tests.

Its like stony told me, you got a few people on here who are critical of something they never even tried! Stony has used it!

 

[GrampsintheSand]

This is like giving a testimonial to a retarded class on career day.
And for accuracy's sake I never ask for a MSDS sheet. I ask for a VOA. Pepsi by law prints the ingredients on the can. So people have it available to make an informed decision. Can Stony read? Pepsi is heavily regulated by the FDA and various other Government agencies for purity and manufacturing process. And you are comparing a food product to Bi-Tron? Walk me through the rational there. Come to think of it maybe Stony can pour Pepsi in his crankcase. Get about the same results. So according to you I can pour bleach in my crankcase and not void my warranty. Wow!
Got anything of qualified data on Bi-Tron yet? Video's of race teams/testimonials are not verifiable data.That is self serving marketing garbage. Like Bi-Tron....garbage.
$200MM in sales over years and years? Fella in the 50's and 60's sold millions of dollars of 100% guaranteed roach killer. Guaranteed his product would kill roaches or your money back. Was 2 chunks of wood. Instructions said place roach on piece of wood "A" and smash piece of wood "B" onto roach that had been placed on piece of wood "A". Scam/Snake Oil....but at least his product did work....unlike Bi-Tron.
Let's look at the Bi_Tron "guarantee" shall we. They guarantee Bi-tron is 100% derived from petroleum based products. OK. So is plastic.They say you cannot void your warranty for providing lubrication between metal parts. This is called oil. Yes I agree you do not void your warranty by using the manufactures recommended oil in your car. I agree and am impressed Bi-Tron picked up on that.Bi-Tron goes on to say I could void my warranty by not changing my oil on the recommended oil change intervals.Now they really get me when they say " Using our products to lubricate between metal parts will not void your warranty". Yup I agree. If I use Bi-Tron on my door hinges it should not void my warranty. Notice how they do not say using Bi-tron in your car manufacturers engine oil will not void your warranty? No they went out of their way NOT to say that.
And in closing...what is a guarantee? It is when if you use my product I pay for any damages. Where anywhere does it say Bi-tron will pay damages? IT DOESN'T! Without that specific verbiage your Bi-Tron "guarantee" is worthless as Bi-Tron itself.
So class thank you for listening and have a great ride home on the little bus.Don't stick your foot in the vomit bucket in the back.